From yeti at chartermi.net Sat Nov 1 00:34:30 2003 From: yeti at chartermi.net (Jeremy) Date: Sat Nov 1 00:29:20 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] I need one more person to signup for my Linux class or it will be cancelled. In-Reply-To: <423FA55A2E87AC428D933786A9E34A55214B68@smi01ms01.micim.com> References: <423FA55A2E87AC428D933786A9E34A55214B68@smi01ms01.micim.com> Message-ID: That looks like a sweet course. Is it worth the money? Has any one taken this before? Can you pass the RH certification after taking this? On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:18:21 -0500, Matt Shirilla wrote: > I was scheduled to attend a class offered the The Linux Box Corporation > of > Ann Arbor Michigan next month but they called me today and cancelled. > They > said they needed one more person to sign up for the class. I was really > looking forward to the class and it is hard for me to arrange for child > care > for a 5 day absence so this is my desperate attempt to find someone else > to > sign up for the November 10-14 class. > > Here is a link to the course outline. > http://www.linuxbox.com/TRAINING/lsa.php > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From lamber45 at cse.msu.edu Sat Nov 1 13:32:56 2003 From: lamber45 at cse.msu.edu (David Lee Lambert) Date: Sat Nov 1 13:33:01 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Personal APT Debs cache In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031027090534.01cc1d28@mail.msu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Brian Hoort wrote: > 3. Are there other groovy possibilities I'm missing? Use a Web proxy (like Squid) on one of your boxes, and configure it to give high priority and long expire-time to version-numbered .deb files. Then set http_proxy to point to that box on all systems, and use the same URL(s) in your APT configuration files. That way you use the best available caching tool for that part of the job. -- DLL From marr at flex.com Sat Nov 1 13:46:46 2003 From: marr at flex.com (Marr) Date: Sat Nov 1 13:47:59 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: New Video Card Advice In-Reply-To: <1067573677.1916.54.camel@localhost> References: <200310301700.h9UH06Rf005933@egr.msu.edu> <1067573677.1916.54.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200311011344.05687.",,," <>> On Friday 31 October 2003 05:11pm, Chick Tower wrote: > Is that an nForce or nForce2 mobo, Brian? If either, it should have the > capabilities of the nVidia GeForce2 MX built-in. I don't know much about the original nForce chipset, but the nForce2 chipset on my Shuttle SN41G2 XPC (SFF -- small form factor) provides GeForce4-MX capability, not GeForce2-MX. Under Linux, I've played 'Return To Castle Wolfenstein' (RTCW) (and the free 'Enemy Territory' variant of that game) and 'America's Army' just fine with the nForce2 chipset and an AMD 'XP 2200+' CPU. My RTCW framerates with the proprietary nVidia binary driver run up to 90+ FPS. I see no reason to put a video card in this box's AGP slot. :^) It's native dual-head VGA too -- very nice. It also has 'TV-out' (in S-video or composite format), which I only recently (successfully) tested. Aside (as a follow-up to my 25 July 2003 post about using Linux with this system): I previously stated that the Firewire (IEEE-1394) on the Shuttle SN41G2 XPC did not work (at least with Slackware 9.0's 2.4.20 kernel). I have since upgraded to Slackware 9.1 (2.4.22 kernel) and, as expected, the Firewire capability is now working perfectly (as tested with an external Maxtor Firewire hard disk drive and a Sony camcorder) and it didn't require any additional drivers. Very nice! Bill Marr From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 3 01:59:51 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 3 01:08:29 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows Message-ID: <200311030601.hA361te10591@anon.securenym.net> To mount an SMB share onto the local filesystem in Linux and FreeBSD, all one has to do is create an appropriate /etc/fstab entry such as this: (the Linux version) //servername/sharename /mountpoint smbfs \ credentials=/root/.smbsecrets,uid=smbuser,gid=smbgroup 0 0 and a "secrets" file containing the smb username and password. The FreeBSD method is similar. The question is this: can something like this be done in Windows XP? My initial experiments say no. At least, not in the way that I want to set things up. I want to be able to give users, regardless of their username and password, full unrestricted access to the SMB share as long as they can provide the correct username (in this case, "smbuser") and password to the server hosting the share. The main hinderance is that Windows does not appear to be able to "store" passwords for SMB shares in the way that one would need to make this work. For example, using the Map Network Drive utility in Explorer, one can configure a share to be automatically reconnected on each login if, and only if, their Windows password is the same as the one used in the smb share. The username can be entered manually and Windows will remember it between logins. The password for the share can be entered manually as well, and the "drive" will be connected for that session, but the password is "lost" between logins. When the user tries to log in again, an error will appear in the system tray (is that what they still call it?) saying that the network drive could not be reconnected because authentication failed: Windows will try to use the Windows logon password rather than the one entered manually in the Map Network Drive dialog. This is vexing. Seems like a common enough scenerio, but I can't seem to type the right thing in the search engines to find a solution that works. I briefly flirted with the idea of creating accounts on the server (running Samba) that mirrored the Windows accounts and then tying them together with a common smb group, but gave up early because group privileges are more restrictive than owner privileges. Only a file's owner can delete that particular file, for example. I also tried the "username map" smb.conf command in Samba, but that presents the same original problem: I still need to somehow provide the password for the original smb user in order to authenticate. I'd appreciate any help that doesn't begin with, "You dunderhead." (Unless it is indeed helpful. :) Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 3 07:33:39 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 3 07:33:48 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1A3@lansingemail.seqnt.com> First, I apologize if this gets all HTML-ized. I'm using OWA and can't do anything about it. The short answer is yes, as long as you're not worried about passwords being stored in plain text. NT/2K/XP/2K3 all operate under the assumption of cached credentials. Whatever you logged in to the local machine with is what it will want to use to authenticate to anything on the network (and sometimes the Internet if you let it - ewww!). Anyway, the syntax is pretty simple: NET USE F: \\[host-or-ip]\[share] /user:[username] [password] If you don't specify a drive letter, it will automatically pick the next available. You can also add '/persistent:yes' to make Windows remember this share. However, it won't remember the credentials, and Windows will prompt the user the next time they try and open the drive (after the locally cached credentials fail, I believe). Hope that helps! PaulM -----Original Message----- From: C. Ulrich [mailto:dincht@securenym.net] Sent: Mon 11/3/2003 1:59 AM To: GLLUG Cc: Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows To mount an SMB share onto the local filesystem in Linux and FreeBSD, all one has to do is create an appropriate /etc/fstab entry such as this: (the Linux version) //servername/sharename /mountpoint smbfs \ credentials=/root/.smbsecrets,uid=smbuser,gid=smbgroup 0 0 and a "secrets" file containing the smb username and password. The FreeBSD method is similar. The question is this: can something like this be done in Windows XP? My initial experiments say no. At least, not in the way that I want to set things up. I want to be able to give users, regardless of their username and password, full unrestricted access to the SMB share as long as they can provide the correct username (in this case, "smbuser") and password to the server hosting the share. The main hinderance is that Windows does not appear to be able to "store" passwords for SMB shares in the way that one would need to make this work. For example, using the Map Network Drive utility in Explorer, one can configure a share to be automatically reconnected on each login if, and only if, their Windows password is the same as the one used in the smb share. The username can be entered manually and Windows will remember it between logins. The password for the share can be entered manually as well, and the "drive" will be connected for that session, but the password is "lost" between logins. When the user tries to log in again, an error will appear in the system tray (is that what they still call it?) saying that the network drive could not be reconnected because authentication failed: Windows will try to use the Windows logon password rather than the one entered manually in the Map Network Drive dialog. This is vexing. Seems like a common enough scenerio, but I can't seem to type the right thing in the search engines to find a solution that works. I briefly flirted with the idea of creating accounts on the server (running Samba) that mirrored the Windows accounts and then tying them together with a common smb group, but gave up early because group privileges are more restrictive than owner privileges. Only a file's owner can delete that particular file, for example. I also tried the "username map" smb.conf command in Samba, but that presents the same original problem: I still need to somehow provide the password for the original smb user in order to authenticate. I'd appreciate any help that doesn't begin with, "You dunderhead." (Unless it is indeed helpful. :) Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031103/7408c386/attachment.htm From rschapel at edtech.mcc.edu Mon Nov 3 09:38:45 2003 From: rschapel at edtech.mcc.edu (rschapel@edtech.mcc.edu) Date: Mon Nov 3 09:43:44 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Flint Area Linux Admin Job Message-ID: <1737.207.74.136.251.1067870325.squirrel@webmail.mcc.edu> Hello: My names Randy Schapel, I work for Mott Community in Flint Michigan. I am looking to hire some one for temp work (But Read on!). Some one fluent in Linux administration. While this position is temporary, if all the stars align it could (as in maybe) turn into a full time position (I will explain this throughly, and give you all the details). The pay isn't where I would like it to be, but the work environment is great (hay I am a nice guy ;) ), as we are hopefully going to be rolling some very interesting things in the near future. The pay is going to be in the range of 15-20 dollars and hour 40hrs/wk, depending on experience. If your interested please send you resume to me at rschapel@edtech.mcc.edu . We have funding now for about 3 months, and could get additional for upto 6 months. Somethings where going to be doing (please you don't have to have specific experience in these areas, but if you thats GREAT) Setting up a samba environment for ~1100 workstations Auth Via LDAP Web portals Pay for Printing System Clustering RealAudio Postfix Moderators, if this is something that shouldn't be here, I am sorry, and let me know and it wont happen again. --Randy Schapel Interim Manager of Educational systems Mott Community College 810-762-0321 From mark at iametarq.com Mon Nov 3 14:11:10 2003 From: mark at iametarq.com (Mark Tarquini) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:10:50 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm confused. I received this today from RH: "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line." Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any good reasons to yet. Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 From zaldivarj at michigan.org Mon Nov 3 14:18:18 2003 From: zaldivarj at michigan.org (James Zaldivar) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:18:33 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <1B0D5D2204DB944BB17653E742F08CF2626548@secure.michigan.org> If you have some money, and aren't opposed to paying for your distro, I highly recommend Libranet. It's essentially an easy to install Debian (mixed sarge/woody, with all packages selected tested for interoperability), with a kick-arse administration tools menu. Plus they have some good, helpful people in the forums, and they're quick about returning emails. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tarquini [mailto:mark@iametarq.com] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:11 PM To: GLLUG Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? I'm confused. I received this today from RH: "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line." Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any good reasons to yet. Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 3 14:23:35 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:23:49 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1A7@lansingemail.seqnt.com> It's all true, sorta. What they omit from this message [intentionally, so that you buy RHEL] is that free RedHat distributions will be succeeded by Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com). However, current RH7-9 users with RHN subscriptions have a decision to make, since there will not be any support options available for Fedora (though they will issue bug fixes and security patches). For those of us who download the ISO's and do their own thing, life isn't going to change much. Of course, it's always a good idea to try new things. You could try SuSE, or FreeBSD, or Solaris/x86, or skydiving, or pottery, or disc golf, or yoga, or... :-) PaulM -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tarquini [mailto:mark@iametarq.com] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:11 PM To: GLLUG Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? I'm confused. I received this today from RH: "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line." Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any good reasons to yet. Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Mon Nov 3 19:37:13 2003 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:37:14 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067888225.2095.17.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 14:11, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I'm confused. I received this today from RH: > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > good reasons to yet. > I think Redhat will only have their enterprise edition under the Redhat brand name going forward. What has been the Redhat branded download edition has been merged with the Fedora project and it is the Fedora branded product that will be the equivalent of the Redhat download edition in the future. If what I've read is correct Fedora will serve as the basis for future RedHat enterprise releases. http://www.redhat.com/software/whichproduct/ -- Mike Rambo mrambo@lsd.k12.mi.us NOTE: In order to control energy costs the light at the end of the tunnel has been shut off until further notice... From basher584 at basher584.org Mon Nov 3 14:49:45 2003 From: basher584 at basher584.org (Basher584) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:49:43 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> Redhat is moving to a more community based packaging effort (but as stated on their web page, it will take time to transition). http://fedora.redhat.com/ http://www.fedora.us/ I believe the first fedora will be released this week or next. -Ben On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:11:10PM -0500, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I'm confused. I received this today from RH: > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > good reasons to yet. > > Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) > -- > > Mark Tarq > ------------------------------------------------------ > mark@iametarq.com > http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com > 517.214.4941 > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From kharrison at icshq.com Mon Nov 3 15:18:05 2003 From: kharrison at icshq.com (Keith Harrison) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:18:03 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000701c3a247$96b15e50$2001a8c0@prog17001> Check out slashdot http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/03/1749259.shtml?tid=106&tid=110&tid=126& tid=163&tid=185&tid=187 Keith Harrison Innovative Computer Services 517-394-1890 ext 22 kharrison@icshq.com www.icshq.com -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Tarquini Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:11 PM To: GLLUG Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? I'm confused. I received this today from RH: "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line." Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any good reasons to yet. Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 3 16:20:48 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:32:19 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067888225.2095.17.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1067888225.2095.17.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <200311032022.hA3KMmw13255@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 14:37, Mike Rambo wrote: > I think Redhat will only have their enterprise edition under the Redhat > brand name going forward. What has been the Redhat branded download > edition has been merged with the Fedora project and it is the Fedora > branded product that will be the equivalent of the Redhat download > edition in the future. If what I've read is correct Fedora will serve as > the basis for future RedHat enterprise releases. > > http://www.redhat.com/software/whichproduct/ I've been using the Fedora 0.95 beta for about a month now on a new laptop and it makes for a pretty slick desktop system. Since I'm used to Slackare and FreeBSD, it seems a little slow and bloated, but I expect that on middle- and high-end hardware it would do quite well. As Ben said, the "1.0" version should be out soon now. (The official Fedora site says that the planned date was today, but is being delayed due to a problem.) To Mark: Trying a different distribution is always a good idea. :) I really liked Slackware for a long time but difficulty in upgrading and/or installing some software led me to FreeBSD which I use now on my workstation. Slackware is good for learning how to do things the old fashioned way via shells and consoles. You'll find few, if any, GUI front ends for anything in the base system. Kinda liberating, actually. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From randall.keyes at jnli.com Mon Nov 3 15:53:56 2003 From: randall.keyes at jnli.com (Keyes, Randall) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:54:11 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <57C12F617C366E45B7A8F6CAC4200377DA13AA@mail4.jacksonnational.com> The information we received was that their next distribution would not be "free" but would be around $200. Deo Favente, Randy Keyes JNL Network Services randall.keyes@jnli.com 517-367-3976 celeritas et veritas "The battle for Helm's Deep has ended. The battle for Middle Earth is about to begin..." 17 December, 2003 -----Original Message----- From: Basher584 [mailto:basher584@basher584.org] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:50 PM To: Mark Tarquini Cc: GLLUG Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Redhat is moving to a more community based packaging effort (but as stated on their web page, it will take time to transition). http://fedora.redhat.com/ http://www.fedora.us/ I believe the first fedora will be released this week or next. -Ben On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:11:10PM -0500, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I'm confused. I received this today from RH: > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > good reasons to yet. > > Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) > -- > > Mark Tarq > ------------------------------------------------------ > mark@iametarq.com > http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com > 517.214.4941 > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031103/7c7a1a79/attachment.htm From harris41 at msu.edu Mon Nov 3 20:56:53 2003 From: harris41 at msu.edu (Scott Harrison) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:56:56 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1067893042.32427.248.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > > good reasons to yet. Somewhat off-topic. A question and vague commentary which is probably somewhat ditto to the above. Within the last year, I came across a very interesting comparison of the different linux distributions to, well, beer. (RedHat was Guiness I think; looked at FreeBSD, SuSE, Debian, and many other distros too) I google and I google and cannot find it. Anybody remember? (I coulda swore it was a slashdot article, but slashdot's search engine seems kind of primitive, and googling against slashdot URI didn't work either). What I liked about the article was, implicitly, it illustrated that ease-of-use, packaging, configuration issues, community dynamics really drive the flavor of the operating system more than the exact filesystem layout, default set of packages, or kernel compilation settings. (Even device drivers I care less about sometimes. I will buy the compatible hardware to make my life smooth...I like Mac OS/X, etc.) So, again, anybody know where the beer/linux analogy article is? (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to advocate alcohol.) By comparative analogy, there is much more than just syntax to choosing a programming language--the standard libraries, keyword set, basic data types, cross-platform usage, and available community repositories are selling points to me when I make language decisions (Python, Perl, C, bash, Java = me most of the time). In other words, if you are mega into Ruby or Ada or FORTH... I probably have different priorities than you as a technologist. And yes, let's not forget the knee jerk response "programming languages don't matter, it is the programmer"... but I'm sorry, my experience as well as the literature I've read suggests that development time and robustness really are indeed impacted by the programming language you choose. $o %there. I have been continually unhappy with the flux RedHat has put me through on rpm (3.x to 4.0 to 4.1), unreliable GUI configuration wizards (making me a believer in vi/emacs/terminal for most everything except lpr) and the inconsistencies between updates and fresh installs (resolution = never update between OS releases, just save home directory and user info and reinstall and update the OS version packages with yum). More on rpm: the .spec files are complicated enough and the syntax keeps changing over the years. (While I appreciate the practical power, I have no desire to write .spec files or .tex files if I can do something simpler that is just as effective for some purposes... like respectively *.tar.gz with a Makefile or html). Practically, RedHat has been great because "everyone uses it". And, RedHat has delivered simple conventional solutions that I can use as a baseline to have something working prior to trying to recompile perl, apache web server, imagemagick, dia, or any other software tools I am trying to optimize and have highly up-to-date, contribute to, etc. And many development projects provide some semblance of reports to those of us who want to live with RedHat wool over our eyes. I however want a new linux distro (to call home). My transitional directions (this is just me, not trying to start megaflame war)... * Python is just better than perl for large-scale software. It is just better (for me). * A-A-P looks very interesting (www.a-a-p.org) (desperate for something better than autoconf/automake or metaconfig and more realistic/simpler than apache's ant) * RedHat to...what??? I played with Debian, FreeBSD, Mandrake over the years and many others... I am skeptical that Fedora will take the helm from RedHat in terms of the mainstream "free usage" OS. People I respect are using Gentoo... and I'm guessing that's what others might be recommending. Why am I skeptical about Fedora? Because I think I'm not the only one looking to find someone different than RedHat, and this happenstance motivates us all. And if it remotely matters (to better profile me), I drive a Saturn VUE. I'm just wondering if there is someone with similar tastes to my own who has made a "solid life-enhancing transition" from RedHat. Feel free to respond off-list since I'm being a little indefinite in characterizing my situation. I am just hugely interested in how RedHat's decision plays out over the next year. I appreciate whatever morsels of wisdom you send my way. If there is someone out there who wants to take an any-level of-detail-stand for a given distro (or point me to a great essay that they have liked), I'm all ears. Regards, Scott From websterr at mail.atmosphereannealing.com Mon Nov 3 20:45:29 2003 From: websterr at mail.atmosphereannealing.com (Roger Webster) Date: Mon Nov 3 16:03:41 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1067892308.6002.8.camel@rtwk12.atmosphereannealing.com> See the following site... http://fedora.redhat.com/ It seems to be the future direction of the old Red Hat branded OS. I have tried it out and it keeps to the style and content of previous Red Hat releases. -Roger On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 14:11, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I'm confused. I received this today from RH: > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > good reasons to yet. > > Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) > -- > > Mark Tarq > ------------------------------------------------------ > mark@iametarq.com > http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com > 517.214.4941 > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 3 16:58:10 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 3 16:06:57 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1A3@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1A3@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <200311032101.hA3L1S526533@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 07:33, Melson, Paul wrote: > First, I apologize if this gets all HTML-ized. I'm using OWA > and can't do anything about it. No problem. Normally, Evolution will wrap automatically if I select Format -> Wrap Lines, but it wasn't working for me, so I did it by hand. :P > The short answer is yes, as long as you're not worried about > passwords being stored in plain text. NT/2K/XP/2K3 all > operate under the assumption of cached credentials. Whatever > you logged in to the local machine with is what it will want > to use to authenticate to anything on the network (and > sometimes the Internet if you let it - ewww!). > Anyway, the syntax is pretty simple: > > NET USE F: \\[host-or-ip]\[share] /user:[username] [password] > > If you don't specify a drive letter, it will automatically > pick the next available. You can also add '/persistent:yes' > to make Windows remember this share. However, it won't > remember the credentials, and Windows will prompt the user > the next time they try and open the drive (after the locally > cached credentials fail, I believe). > Hope that helps! > > PaulM This basically looks like a command-line version of the same thing that I was doing in the GUI. So I guess the only way to do what I want to do is create a batch file or something that gets run on each logon. I don't relish the idea of storing the password in plaintext (even in a Windows-encrypted file), but maybe I can hack up a quick program to at least obfusicate it like FreeBSD's "smbutil crypt" does. ...Found the source for the "simplecrypt" algorithm from FreeBSD's smbfs and it looks like I won't have to do much of anything to make it work under Windows. Yes, I like making work for myself. Thanks, Paul! Charles Ulrich From scollins at thegeekery.com Mon Nov 3 22:25:11 2003 From: scollins at thegeekery.com (steven collins) Date: Mon Nov 3 17:25:13 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1067898289.2973.11.camel@zeruel> So, am I reading the fedora site correctly? I get the idea that they are just changing the name of the common redhat OS to "Fedora" in an attempt to separate the RedHat name from free software. If you want to keep running "RedHat" you'll have to pay them for it, but if you want to run the same thing supported by the community then you have to call it "Fedora". any thoughts? -steven -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031103/ad5a9150/attachment.bin From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 3 18:04:58 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 3 18:05:08 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835C0@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Good bet, though it remains to be seen. There have also been rumors going around that they will be expiring all of the current RHCE's in order to encourage recertification on the new RHEL platforms. -----Original Message----- From: steven collins [mailto:scollins@thegeekery.com] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:25 PM To: GLLUG Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? So, am I reading the fedora site correctly? I get the idea that they are just changing the name of the common redhat OS to "Fedora" in an attempt to separate the RedHat name from free software. If you want to keep running "RedHat" you'll have to pay them for it, but if you want to run the same thing supported by the community then you have to call it "Fedora". any thoughts? -steven From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 3 18:10:23 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 3 18:10:31 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835C1@lansingemail.seqnt.com> You could always make the user enter the password by not specifying it on the command line. Here is a batch file I use to log into a separate domain that I use frequently. It's only accessible via VPN, hence the pings, but it handles most of the common logon issues that 'NET USE' doesn't. --- cut --- @echo off set count=1 color 0b ping 10.0.100.8 ping -n 1 -w 2000 10.0.100.8 2>&1 | findstr /C:"Reply from" >nul 2>&1 if errorlevel 1 goto Fail :Success net use x: /delete net use x: \\10.0.100.8\Shares /user:PaulM * if errorlevel 1 goto Login goto End :Login echo Unable to login to the server. echo Check your password and try again. echo. if "%count%" == "3" ( goto Failed ) set /a count=%count%+1 >nul pause goto Success :Fail echo Unable to communicate with server. echo Are you sure that you are connected to that network? echo. pause goto End :Failed echo Unable to log in to the server. echo (Was CAPSLOCK on?) echo Check username and password and try again. echo. pause goto End :End -- paste -- PaulM -----Original Message----- From: C. Ulrich [mailto:dincht@securenym.net] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:58 PM To: Melson, Paul Cc: GLLUG Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 07:33, Melson, Paul wrote: > First, I apologize if this gets all HTML-ized. I'm using OWA > and can't do anything about it. No problem. Normally, Evolution will wrap automatically if I select Format -> Wrap Lines, but it wasn't working for me, so I did it by hand. :P > The short answer is yes, as long as you're not worried about > passwords being stored in plain text. NT/2K/XP/2K3 all > operate under the assumption of cached credentials. Whatever > you logged in to the local machine with is what it will want > to use to authenticate to anything on the network (and > sometimes the Internet if you let it - ewww!). > Anyway, the syntax is pretty simple: > > NET USE F: \\[host-or-ip]\[share] /user:[username] [password] > > If you don't specify a drive letter, it will automatically > pick the next available. You can also add '/persistent:yes' > to make Windows remember this share. However, it won't > remember the credentials, and Windows will prompt the user > the next time they try and open the drive (after the locally > cached credentials fail, I believe). > Hope that helps! > > PaulM This basically looks like a command-line version of the same thing that I was doing in the GUI. So I guess the only way to do what I want to do is create a batch file or something that gets run on each logon. I don't relish the idea of storing the password in plaintext (even in a Windows-encrypted file), but maybe I can hack up a quick program to at least obfusicate it like FreeBSD's "smbutil crypt" does. ...Found the source for the "simplecrypt" algorithm from FreeBSD's smbfs and it looks like I won't have to do much of anything to make it work under Windows. Yes, I like making work for myself. Thanks, Paul! Charles Ulrich From strandtc at liquidweb.com Mon Nov 3 18:30:43 2003 From: strandtc at liquidweb.com (Chris Strandt) Date: Mon Nov 3 18:37:31 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> Message-ID: <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> Redhat is giving current users 2 options. 1) Buy their Enterprise Linux (like $180 for the workstation version, $350 for the server edition). 2) Go with Fedora. From the Fedora website: "The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project. It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products. It is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc." So it sounds like they are just kind of giving Fedora a start.. and letting it go in its own direction. Kind of reminds me of the Mozilla project. Netscape got it going.. then let it go in its own direction.. giving and taking code from the project. Should be interesting to see how Redhat makes out with selling their Enterprise edition. -Chris Basher584 wrote: >Redhat is moving to a more community based packaging effort (but as stated on their web page, it will take time to transition). > >http://fedora.redhat.com/ >http://www.fedora.us/ > >I believe the first fedora will be released this week or next. > >-Ben > > >On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:11:10PM -0500, Mark Tarquini wrote: > > >>I'm confused. I received this today from RH: >> >>"Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and >>errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December >>31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for >>Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release >>another product in the Red Hat Linux line." >> >>Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've >>been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any >>good reasons to yet. >> >>Any wisdom is always appreciated. =) >>-- >> >>Mark Tarq >>------------------------------------------------------ >>mark@iametarq.com >>http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com >>517.214.4941 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>linux-user mailing list >>linux-user@egr.msu.edu >>http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> >> >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > From scollins at thegeekery.com Tue Nov 4 00:20:42 2003 From: scollins at thegeekery.com (steven collins) Date: Mon Nov 3 19:20:44 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <1067905227.3339.11.camel@zeruel> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:30, Chris Strandt wrote: > So it sounds like they are just kind of giving Fedora a start.. and > letting it go in its own direction. Kind of reminds me of the Mozilla > project. Netscape got it going.. then let it go in its own direction.. > giving and taking code from the project. heh. If that's not an ominous prediction I don't know what is ;) I don't know a single person that uses netscape anymore. > > Should be interesting to see how Redhat makes out with selling their > Enterprise edition. Yeah we'll see how that works out for them but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And handing over Fedora to "the community" is great and all but I'm curious how well "the community" will accept this bold move. Almost everyone I've talked to today is ready to flush their trusty red hat into their trusty porcelain commode. -steven -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031104/7633f404/attachment.bin From randall.keyes at jnli.com Mon Nov 3 20:22:16 2003 From: randall.keyes at jnli.com (Keyes, Randall) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:22:33 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? Message-ID: <57C12F617C366E45B7A8F6CAC4200377DA13C8@mail4.jacksonnational.com> Novell just bought Ximian. They plan on making NDS for Linux. Perhaps Red Hat is just playing into their hands? If you can manage your Linux OS servers with NetWare NDS riding on a Linux box....hmmm. Deo Favente, Randy Keyes JNL Network Services randall.keyes@jnli.com 517-367-3976 celeritas et veritas "The battle for Helm's Deep has ended. The battle for Middle Earth is about to begin..." 17 December, 2003 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Harrison [mailto:harris41@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:57 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? > > "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and > > errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December > > 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for > > Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release > > another product in the Red Hat Linux line." > > > > Does this mean I should consider trying another distro of linux? I've > > been wanting to for a while, I just haven't had the time really or any > > good reasons to yet. Somewhat off-topic. A question and vague commentary which is probably somewhat ditto to the above. Within the last year, I came across a very interesting comparison of the different linux distributions to, well, beer. (RedHat was Guiness I think; looked at FreeBSD, SuSE, Debian, and many other distros too) I google and I google and cannot find it. Anybody remember? (I coulda swore it was a slashdot article, but slashdot's search engine seems kind of primitive, and googling against slashdot URI didn't work either). What I liked about the article was, implicitly, it illustrated that ease-of-use, packaging, configuration issues, community dynamics really drive the flavor of the operating system more than the exact filesystem layout, default set of packages, or kernel compilation settings. (Even device drivers I care less about sometimes. I will buy the compatible hardware to make my life smooth...I like Mac OS/X, etc.) So, again, anybody know where the beer/linux analogy article is? (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to advocate alcohol.) By comparative analogy, there is much more than just syntax to choosing a programming language--the standard libraries, keyword set, basic data types, cross-platform usage, and available community repositories are selling points to me when I make language decisions (Python, Perl, C, bash, Java = me most of the time). In other words, if you are mega into Ruby or Ada or FORTH... I probably have different priorities than you as a technologist. And yes, let's not forget the knee jerk response "programming languages don't matter, it is the programmer"... but I'm sorry, my experience as well as the literature I've read suggests that development time and robustness really are indeed impacted by the programming language you choose. $o %there. I have been continually unhappy with the flux RedHat has put me through on rpm (3.x to 4.0 to 4.1), unreliable GUI configuration wizards (making me a believer in vi/emacs/terminal for most everything except lpr) and the inconsistencies between updates and fresh installs (resolution = never update between OS releases, just save home directory and user info and reinstall and update the OS version packages with yum). More on rpm: the .spec files are complicated enough and the syntax keeps changing over the years. (While I appreciate the practical power, I have no desire to write .spec files or .tex files if I can do something simpler that is just as effective for some purposes... like respectively *.tar.gz with a Makefile or html). Practically, RedHat has been great because "everyone uses it". And, RedHat has delivered simple conventional solutions that I can use as a baseline to have something working prior to trying to recompile perl, apache web server, imagemagick, dia, or any other software tools I am trying to optimize and have highly up-to-date, contribute to, etc. And many development projects provide some semblance of reports to those of us who want to live with RedHat wool over our eyes. I however want a new linux distro (to call home). My transitional directions (this is just me, not trying to start megaflame war)... * Python is just better than perl for large-scale software. It is just better (for me). * A-A-P looks very interesting (www.a-a-p.org) (desperate for something better than autoconf/automake or metaconfig and more realistic/simpler than apache's ant) * RedHat to...what??? I played with Debian, FreeBSD, Mandrake over the years and many others... I am skeptical that Fedora will take the helm from RedHat in terms of the mainstream "free usage" OS. People I respect are using Gentoo... and I'm guessing that's what others might be recommending. Why am I skeptical about Fedora? Because I think I'm not the only one looking to find someone different than RedHat, and this happenstance motivates us all. And if it remotely matters (to better profile me), I drive a Saturn VUE. I'm just wondering if there is someone with similar tastes to my own who has made a "solid life-enhancing transition" from RedHat. Feel free to respond off-list since I'm being a little indefinite in characterizing my situation. I am just hugely interested in how RedHat's decision plays out over the next year. I appreciate whatever morsels of wisdom you send my way. If there is someone out there who wants to take an any-level of-detail-stand for a given distro (or point me to a great essay that they have liked), I'm all ears. Regards, Scott _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031103/5f2587ea/attachment-0001.htm From strandtc at liquidweb.com Mon Nov 3 20:35:27 2003 From: strandtc at liquidweb.com (Chris Strandt) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:42:12 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> <1067905227.3339.11.camel@zeruel> Message-ID: <3FA7025F.8050502@liquidweb.com> Hey.. I still use Mozilla both at home and work (Windows and Linux). :) But unfortuntly there are still a few things in Mozilla that annouy me enough to still use IE to open some webpages (like plugin support). -Chris steven collins wrote: heh. If that's not an ominous prediction I don't know what is ;) I don't know a single person that uses netscape anymore. -steve From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 3 21:52:41 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:53:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067893042.32427.248.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> <1067893042.32427.248.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311040153.hA41r6p02553@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 15:57, Scott Harrison wrote: > I'm just wondering > if there is someone with similar tastes to my own who has made > a "solid life-enhancing transition" from RedHat. Feel free > to respond off-list since I'm being a little indefinite in > characterizing my situation. I am just hugely interested > in how RedHat's decision plays out over the next year. > I appreciate whatever morsels of wisdom you send my way. > If there is someone out there who wants to take an any-level > of-detail-stand for a given distro (or point me to a great > essay that they have liked), I'm all ears. > > Regards, > Scott As I've pointed out briefly before, I was once a huge Mandrake fan. It really was a nice OS. I think I identified with it early on since they made an effort to be a different sort of Linux company that worked harder to interact with their customers. While Red Hat branched off into many different areas, Mandrake stuck with making a good distribution into a great one. They also kept as much Red Hat OS compatbility as they could, which made life much easier when it came to installing software and third-party drivers. But it wore off. As Mandrake got older, they started becoming more like Red Hat and so did their distribution. I was a great fan of the Mandrake 6.x and 7.x series, but was seriously starting to grow weary of RPM dependency hell, pretty GUI config wizards that totally failed to work, and having to gut out large portions of the OS. (By "gut out" I mean removing things like splash graphics that cover up useful boot messages, uninstalling useless and annoying yet "required" RPMs, and commenting out truly stupid aliases in the global bash profile scripts.) When 8.0 came out, I immediately decided to buy it for two reasons. 1) I wanted to show my appreciation to Mandrake for having a mostly-good product and 2) I thought that an upgrade would relieve a lot of the problems that I was having with 7.2. $80 that sucker cost and I couldn't get it to work with either of my computers. Worst money I ever spent. I was disillusioned to say the least and set out to find an OS that did only what *I* asked it to. By sheer coincedence, Slackware 8.0 was released that same week. I downloaded it, installed it, and never looked back. In particular, I liked that rather than spending a week stripping down the OS, I spent only a day or two adding a couple packages that weren't included with the distro. I've always been extremely happy with Slackware, and would have stuck with it if there were a better way to upgrade software than by rebuilding it by hand. Because of this, I now use FreeBSD on my workstation which makes upgrading and installing third-party software extremely simple. (There are other advantages as well, but this is the biggie for me.) Dang. That ended up a lot longer than I meant it to be. Now, about the Red Hat/Fedora issue. I agree with Chris's opinion that this is similar to the Netscape/Mozilla issue, but with one or two big differences. Netscape's whole strategy was to take Mozilla, slap a brand name on it, and push it out the door. Those who were using Mozilla weren't interested in the Netscape version because they saw it as inferior to Mozilla (which it was on a couple of levels). Red Hat won't be delivering any product that will compete directly with Fedora. Also, with Fedora, you're going to see the whole Red Hat community (the biggest Linux desktop market) jump onto the Fedora ship. The Mozilla project was really accessible only to developers until the later milestones, but an OS is a whole different kettle of fish. And just to throw in my two cents, I think Fedora will be a better Red Hat than Red Hat was because it will be community-supported, i.e., no corporate agenda means they are free to do whatever they want with it to make it a better OS. I doubt like heck whether I'll install Fedora on any system other than my laptop, but I do like to see quality community-supported open-source projects flourish. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 3 21:56:55 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:59:08 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835C1@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835C1@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <200311040157.hA41vJa03315@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:10, Melson, Paul wrote: > You could always make the user enter the password by not specifying it > on the command line. Here is a batch file I use to log into a separate > domain that I use frequently. It's only accessible via VPN, hence the > pings, but it handles most of the common logon issues that 'NET USE' > doesn't. I wanted to avoid requiring the user to enter any password manually except obviously their logon password. Your previous advice proved valuable, however, and I'm off to implement the idea that it sparked. Thanks again! Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From cliffordzang at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 18:07:34 2003 From: cliffordzang at yahoo.com (Clifford Zang) Date: Mon Nov 3 21:07:42 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <3FA7025F.8050502@liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <20031104020734.89029.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Same here. I use Mozilla whenever I can now. Only problem is at work where GM's software only runs on IE. Gotta love the pop-up protection in Mozilla. Cliff --- Chris Strandt wrote: > Hey.. I still use Mozilla both at home and work > (Windows and Linux). :) > But unfortuntly there are still a few things in > Mozilla that annouy me > enough to still use IE to open some webpages (like > plugin support). > > -Chris > > > steven collins wrote: > > heh. If that's not an ominous prediction I don't > know what is ;) > I don't know a single person that uses netscape > anymore. > > -steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From basher584 at basher584.org Mon Nov 3 21:23:45 2003 From: basher584 at basher584.org (Basher584) Date: Mon Nov 3 21:23:58 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Redhat Discontinuation of Red Hat Linux Line? In-Reply-To: <1067905227.3339.11.camel@zeruel> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> <1067905227.3339.11.camel@zeruel> Message-ID: <20031104022345.GA4066@leary.csoft.net> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:20:32PM -0500, steven collins wrote: > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:30, Chris Strandt wrote: > > So it sounds like they are just kind of giving Fedora a start.. and > > letting it go in its own direction. Kind of reminds me of the Mozilla > > project. Netscape got it going.. then let it go in its own direction.. > > giving and taking code from the project. > > heh. If that's not an ominous prediction I don't know what is ;) > I don't know a single person that uses netscape anymore. But how many people use a mozilla/gecko based browser? I know I use galeon everyday. Mozilla's DOM Inspector is a valuable tool. All spawned from Netscape. > > > > > Should be interesting to see how Redhat makes out with selling their > > Enterprise edition. > > Yeah we'll see how that works out for them but it still leaves a bad > taste in my mouth. And handing over Fedora to "the community" is great > and all but I'm curious how well "the community" will accept this bold > move. Almost everyone I've talked to today is ready to flush their > trusty red hat into their trusty porcelain commode. > > -steven I think that it 1) puts RedHat into a more favorable position, market wise, which will hopefully help keep them around longer, and 2) fixes the biggest sore spot with Redhat (from my point of view), which was the lack of responsiveness from outside parties to patches. I'm glad about the direction they are taking, and I am no where near ready to flush any of my Redhat installs, and I am very appreciative of everything they have given to the community (kernel improvements, GNOME, that one patent, etc.). That being said, its definitely a good time for people to check out other distro's. RedHat is never going to be perfect for everyone. The best part about open source is choice no? I personally checked out Debian, and freeBSD, but I haven't warmed up to them yet. Its all about the "community" :-D -Ben From joe8122 at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 4 13:40:28 2003 From: joe8122 at myrealbox.com (Joe Smith) Date: Tue Nov 4 13:40:58 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Novell buys SuSe, Interesting Message-ID: <1067971228.b73e8060joe8122@myrealbox.com> Novel announced today that it will purchase SuSe linux. http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/novell_suse.html Interesting development. wonder how this will all work out???? -Joe From harris41 at msu.edu Tue Nov 4 19:04:54 2003 From: harris41 at msu.edu (Scott Harrison) Date: Tue Nov 4 14:04:57 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Novell buys SuSe, Interesting In-Reply-To: <1067971228.b73e8060joe8122@myrealbox.com> References: <1067971228.b73e8060joe8122@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1067972695.26404.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Novel announced today that it will purchase SuSe linux. > http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/novell_suse.html > Interesting development. wonder how this will all work out???? NOVL NOVELL INC 7.87 +30.1% (Although I'm sure that IBM's 50 mln investment today for Novell also helps.) And on other news... > everyone I've talked to today is ready to flush their > trusty red hat into their trusty porcelain commode. RHAT RED HAT INC 13.659 -11.2% From randall.keyes at jnli.com Tue Nov 4 14:12:30 2003 From: randall.keyes at jnli.com (Keyes, Randall) Date: Tue Nov 4 14:12:50 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] FW: Breaking News for Nzone Members: Novell Acquires SUSE LINUX Message-ID: <57C12F617C366E45B7A8F6CAC4200377DA13F4@mail4.jacksonnational.com> Red Hat no more???? Deo Favente, Randy Keyes JNL Network Services randall.keyes@jnli.com 517-367-3976 celeritas et veritas "The battle for Helm's Deep has ended. The battle for Middle Earth is about to begin..." 17 December, 2003 -----Original Message----- From: Novell [mailto:Novell.Nzone@novell.rsc03.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:20 PM To: RANDALL.KEYES@JNLI.COM Subject: Breaking News for Nzone Members: Novell Acquires SUSE LINUX Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire Leading Enterprise Linux Technology Company SUSE LINUX Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, one of the world's leading enterprise Linux companies, expanding Novell's ability to provide enterprise-class services and support on the Linux platform. With the open source expertise of SUSE LINUX and Novell's world-class networking and identity solutions and support, training and consulting services, Novell will be able to deliver Linux and all its components -- from the server to the desktop -- and give organizations a secure, reliable and mature Linux foundation. Novell will pay $210 million in cash to complete the acquisition. 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In-Reply-To: <20031104022345.GA4066@leary.csoft.net> References: <1067886670.1285.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031103194945.GA3236@leary.csoft.net> <3FA6E523.5030707@liquidweb.com> <1067905227.3339.11.camel@zeruel> <20031104022345.GA4066@leary.csoft.net> Message-ID: <1067985072.4819.15.camel@zeruel> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:23, Basher584 wrote: > But how many people use a mozilla/gecko based browser? I know I use galeon everyday. Mozilla's DOM Inspector is a valuable tool. All spawned from Netscape. > Exactly my point. I know more people that use mozilla based browsers than IE these days. Which in comparison makes things look good for Fedora, but bad for RedHat. I'm installing Gentoo right now and will probably migrate all my machines that I can over to it. it's a pretty sexy OS. -steven -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The "enterprise server" is always behind the major release numbers because they release a version and wait for bugs to be found and fix them for a while before they release it. So essentially RedHat 9 == Fedora release and once it has been hammered at for a while it will become a Redhat enterprise release. This will cut a lot of cost and confusion out of their tech support groups. I would imagine the developers in charge of integration will all be actually working with the Fedora project. I honestly don't anticipate many differences from the old general redhat release and the new Fedora release. It is just a name change more along the lines of why they went from 8.0 to 9.0 vs doing the 8.1,8.2 thing like they had previously done. Sean From sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 5 13:30:17 2003 From: sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net (Seth Bembeneck) Date: Wed Nov 5 13:30:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Installing Gentoo Message-ID: <000001c3a3ca$e0257ba0$0a01a8c0@seth> I'm in the process of installing Gentoo and just did the 'emerge sync' command. It said that config files had to be updated. So upon further investigation, I ran the command 'etc-update'. What do I do with the config files that are different then the originals? Do I over write them, interactive merge them, or skip that file? Thanks, Seth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031105/65d7006c/attachment.htm From jerf at jerf.org Wed Nov 5 10:36:58 2003 From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Wed Nov 5 14:38:47 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Installing Gentoo In-Reply-To: <000001c3a3ca$e0257ba0$0a01a8c0@seth> References: <000001c3a3ca$e0257ba0$0a01a8c0@seth> Message-ID: <3FA9191A.6050006@jerf.org> Seth Bembeneck wrote: > What do I do with the config files that are different then the > originals? Do I over write them, interactive merge them, or skip that file? It depends. (Sorry. ;-) ) Generally, if you haven't changed the configuration files manually (i.e., you don't recognize it), you should overwrite it. If you have made changes, this is your chance to either blow your old changes away, completely keep your old settings, or, if you feel you understand the configuration file enough to understand what's going on, interactively merge the two. (I recommending using an xterm and expanding the window to twice the usual width; the output will make more sense then.) About 95% of the config files can be just overwritten. (You can reduce a lot of the REALLY stupid ones by setting eu_automerge="yes" in your /etc/etc-update.conf file. I don't know if this takes care of the internationalization files (which drove me nuts and sometimes hosed my terminal), but I haven't seen them in a while.) A couple of files pretty much always have the old version kept, like /etc/fstab. (Until the format changes on that, which will probably a Very Long Time (TM), there's no good reason to blow away your current settings if nothing has changed; it's very likely the Gentoo default won't work for you at all.) A very few files will need to be dynamically merged. Generally I try to merge /etc/make.conf; it is OK to throw out the new file usually but since the help in the comments is often the only and best place to know about some of the more exotic features, I try to merge the new comments with the old settings. And sometimes they change the format of something on you (though I haven't seen that in quite a few months). If you REALLY don't want to do this with the diff interface (of any kind), save a copy of your current make.conf and merge it completely by hand later; since you only need your CFLAGS settings and a couple of other lines, it's pretty easy. If you generally stick with defaults (which is probably the case if you don't run servers), then this is the only file I can think of off the top of my head that you might want to manually merge. Sorry there's no simple answer, but this level of control over the configuration files is one of the attractions of Gentoo to me. From jglass at liquidweb.com Wed Nov 5 14:45:31 2003 From: jglass at liquidweb.com (Joseph Glass) Date: Wed Nov 5 14:46:00 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Installing Gentoo In-Reply-To: <000001c3a3ca$e0257ba0$0a01a8c0@seth> References: <000001c3a3ca$e0257ba0$0a01a8c0@seth> Message-ID: <1068061531.17538.198.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> Hi Seth, You can run etc-update and then merge each file individually, while inspecting any changes. On a new system you can probably replace all of the old configuration files with the new ones, but after you configure any services be careful you don't replace anything important. If there are only a few files to update, I usually just do a diff -u from the command line then overwrite the old config file with the new. Good luck! Joe On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 13:30, Seth Bembeneck wrote: > I?m in the process of installing Gentoo and just did the ?emerge sync? > command. It said that config files had to be updated. So upon further > investigation, I ran the command ?etc-update?. > > > > What do I do with the config files that are different then the > originals? Do I over write them, interactive merge them, or skip that > file? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Seth > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Joseph Glass Systems Administrator Liquid Web Inc. 800.580.4985 x227 From vincen21 at msu.edu Wed Nov 5 23:28:00 2003 From: vincen21 at msu.edu (Jolyon Michael Vincent) Date: Wed Nov 5 23:28:04 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Mismatched pair: cobol and me. Guru needed! Message-ID: Guru needed! send help! I'm drowning in a vat of anxiety. non programmer seeks expert advice on COBOL for basic cobol class.... would like to know if there are any people in the LUG who know cobol and would be willing to answer questions on an as-needed basis. Also would like to know what resources msu has for programming help. Tutoring/mentoring, learning labs etc etc....despite the fact that the class isn't an msu class, I still need to find support. Also, if you know how I can use Cobol in Linux Redhat 8.0 to make something usable, please let me know. I don't know why I would need to learn Cobol other than the fact that it is a programming language, and it has a certain structure that might be found elsewhere. (my best guess). Some background on my lack of programming: I took C++ at Rochester Institute of Tech (www.rit.edu) and failed miserably. I took Basic in grade school...Studied Virtual Basic at RIT (one week) but was generally confused at that as well.Vbasic seemed to be more like web programming (learned rudimentary HTML on my own...worked with dreamweaver for a-bit.) Background on me: I am an artist, not a mathematician! And while my spelling and grammar might be abit off here, I'm more of a journalist than a programmer. Can someone out there please teach me enough code to thwart my anxiety? Don't get your free email at hotmail.com http://www.???.org is much better. From vincen21 at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 00:07:08 2003 From: vincen21 at msu.edu (Jolyon Michael Vincent) Date: Thu Nov 6 00:07:16 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Mismatched pair: cobol and XP. Guru needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean O'Malley writes: > you might try > http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/ Tried. all I found was source for redhat, and cgywin. I have both, but can't run redhat as the comp linux resides on is in the shop for much needed storage upgrade. no space to install anything besides core operating system. I would use cgywin, as I have it installed...but I don't have any idea how to run it. it doesn't seem to be as friendly as Rhat's gui. here's what I got from sourceforge: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tiny-cobol/tinycobol-devel-0.61.tar.gz?us e_default=unc > not sure how well it works. im not a cobol programmer =) > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jolyon Michael Vincent wrote: > Original Message follows: >> Guru needed! send help! I'm drowning in a vat of anxiety. >> non programmer seeks expert advice on COBOL for basic cobol class.... >> >> >> would like to know if there are any people in the LUG who know cobol and >> would be willing to answer questions on an as-needed basis. Also would like >> to know what resources msu has for programming help. Tutoring/mentoring, >> learning labs etc etc....despite the fact that the class isn't an msu class, >> I still need to find support. Prefer to code on the Windows XP platform >> if possible. >> >> Also, if you know how I can use Cobol in Linux Redhat 8.0 to make something >> usable, please let me know. I don't know why I would need to learn Cobol >> other than the fact that it is a programming language, and it has a certain >> structure that might be found elsewhere. (my best guess). >> >> Some background on my lack of programming: I took C++ at Rochester Institute >> of Tech (www.rit.edu) and failed miserably. I took Basic in grade >> school...Studied Virtual Basic at RIT (one week) but was generally confused >> at that as well.Vbasic seemed to be more like web programming (learned >> rudimentary HTML on my own...worked with dreamweaver for a-bit.) >> >> Background on me: I am an artist, not a mathematician! And while my spelling >> and grammar might be abit off here, I'm more of a journalist than a >> programmer. >> >> Can someone out there please teach me enough code to thwart my anxiety? >> Don't get your free email at hotmail.com >> http://www.???.org is much better. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user@egr.msu.edu >> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >> Don't get your free email at hotmail.com http://www.???.org is much better. From dincht at securenym.net Thu Nov 6 03:00:07 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Thu Nov 6 02:14:18 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Automating Windows SMB drive mapping (Was: Samba + Linux, FreeBSD, and (sigh) Windows) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031105152243.01d0f2a8@mail.msu.edu> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835C1@lansingemail.seqnt.com> <200311040157.hA41vJa03315@anon.securenym.net> <6.0.0.22.2.20031105152243.01d0f2a8@mail.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200311060707.hA677ac13425@anon.securenym.net> On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 15:23, Brian Hoort wrote: > We have similar wishes. When you get a solution worked out, post a quickie > overview so we can implement our own solutions. > > Thank! [Posting this reply to the list also in case others would like to flame me. :P] Thus far, the general plan is to essentially copy the FreeBSD method of mounting SMB shares onto the local filesystems. First we'll create a folder titled "SMB" somewhere on the Windows file system to hold a small program (SMBMOUNT.EXE) to read the share configuration from a file (SMB.CONF) in the user's Local Settings folder and mount (or, "map") the share as a local drive letter. I'm not too familiar with the Windows Way of doing things, but a quick examination of the filesystem leads me to believe that C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 would be the best place for the SMB folder. So, if all goes according to plan, the following events occur: 1. A user logs in, and SMBMOUNT.EXE is run automatically on login, via the Startup folder for example. 2. SMBMOUNT mount looks for SMB.CONF in "%USERNAME%/Local Settings" and processes the information contained therein such as the drive letter, smb host, smb share, smb username, and password. The password will be obfusicated within the configuration file via a weak XOR encryption algorithm shamelessly ripped from the FreeBSD smbutil command. (This is not ideal but it protects the password from being discovered via casual observation. Storing the password locally, even if it's obfusicated is obviously not a particularly great solution if you don't or can't trust your users completely. In this case, you might use a server-side domain login script or something to map your smb drives instead. SMBMOUNT will also be capable of performing the obfusication of a plaintext password on the command line just in case you don't feel like working out the algorithm on pencil and paper.) 3. SMBMOUNT uses the information gleaned from SMB.CONF to construct and execute a NET USE command to map the share to a drive letter. Hope this helps. Right now, I'm in the process of writing SMBMOUNT in C. It won't be a particularly large undertaking, but my C knowledge is more than a little rusty, plus I've got schoolwork to attend to so I can't say for certain when it'll be done. A rough estimate may be between a couple weeks from now and mid-December. I'd be more than happy to share the source and binary when it's up and running on my machines. Apologies if any of this is unclear. It's getting rather late as I type this... --Charles Ulrich From hoortbri at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 09:43:50 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:43:57 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Firewalls Cross-Ported to Windows Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031106093944.01dab118@mail.msu.edu> Oh Great Ones, I'm looking for a GNU/Open/Free firewall that has been ported to Windows OS. I suspect this doesn't exist, due to tight integration into kernel, but thought it worth asking. If we find one, this might be first opportunity to sneak GNU into our MS organization. We need a FW on each client--not looking for centralized network FW. We've been evaluating free ZoneAlarm and BlackIce, and aren't quite pleased. Your humble servant, -- Brian Hoort It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. Abraham Lincoln From PMelson at sequoianet.com Thu Nov 6 09:55:29 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:55:37 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Firewalls Cross-Ported to Windows Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835D2@lansingemail.seqnt.com> I don't know about 'GNU' per se, but there are a number of decent desktop firewalls out there for Win32 that are cheap or free. Specifically, which Windows OS are you using? PaulM -----Original Message----- Oh Great Ones, I'm looking for a GNU/Open/Free firewall that has been ported to Windows OS. I suspect this doesn't exist, due to tight integration into kernel, but thought it worth asking. If we find one, this might be first opportunity to sneak GNU into our MS organization. We need a FW on each client--not looking for centralized network FW. We've been evaluating free ZoneAlarm and BlackIce, and aren't quite pleased. From hoortbri at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 10:00:39 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Thu Nov 6 10:00:48 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Firewalls Cross-Ported to Windows In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835D2@lansingemail.seqnt. com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E58835D2@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031106095833.01eb63c8@mail.msu.edu> We have 98, 2000, and XP boxes that we want this for. All client Windows boxes. Any recommendations? At 09:55 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: >I don't know about 'GNU' per se, but there are a number of decent >desktop firewalls out there for Win32 that are cheap or free. >Specifically, which Windows OS are you using? > >PaulM > >-----Original Message----- >Oh Great Ones, > >I'm looking for a GNU/Open/Free firewall that has been ported to Windows > >OS. I suspect this doesn't exist, due to tight integration into kernel, > >but thought it worth asking. If we find one, this might be first >opportunity to sneak GNU into our MS organization. We need a FW on each > >client--not looking for centralized network FW. We've been evaluating >free >ZoneAlarm and BlackIce, and aren't quite pleased. From minshal1 at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 13:19:40 2003 From: minshal1 at msu.edu (Benjamin Minshall) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:19:55 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Mismatched pair: cobol and me. Guru needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAA90BC.40502@msu.edu> Jolyon- I'm a bit confused. Are you learning COBOL because you need to for a job, course requirement, etc; or is this just a hobby? Although I haven't used or seen it much, COBOL doesn't seem like a very good beginner or concept-oriented language. As far as MSU goes, there really aren't any resources for programming help aside from the TA's in intro computer science classes; even then, they were rarely useful. Moreover, MSU courses use a mix of Java, MS Visual C++, and standard C++, but nothing with COBOL. If you're an MSU student, which it appears from your e-mail address that you are, you might try inquiring about help at the Engineering Library located on the first floor of the south side of the Engineering Building. I don't think they offer anything specifically, but they can probably point you in the right direction. You could also try the Computer Science department office on the third floor along the north face of the building. Good luck, -Ben Jolyon Michael Vincent wrote: > Guru needed! send help! I'm drowning in a vat of anxiety. > non programmer seeks expert advice on COBOL for basic cobol class.... > > would like to know if there are any people in the LUG who know cobol and > would be willing to answer questions on an as-needed basis. Also would > like to know what resources msu has for programming help. > Tutoring/mentoring, learning labs etc etc....despite the fact that the > class isn't an msu class, I still need to find support. > Also, if you know how I can use Cobol in Linux Redhat 8.0 to make > something usable, please let me know. I don't know why I would need to > learn Cobol other than the fact that it is a programming language, and > it has a certain structure that might be found elsewhere. (my best guess). > Some background on my lack of programming: I took C++ at Rochester > Institute of Tech (www.rit.edu) and failed miserably. I took Basic in > grade school...Studied Virtual Basic at RIT (one week) but was generally > confused at that as well.Vbasic seemed to be more like web programming > (learned rudimentary HTML on my own...worked with dreamweaver for a-bit.) > Background on me: I am an artist, not a mathematician! And while my > spelling and grammar might be abit off here, I'm more of a journalist > than a programmer. > Can someone out there please teach me enough code to thwart my anxiety? > Don't get your free email at hotmail.com > http://www.???.org is much better. > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From minshal1 at msu.edu Thu Nov 6 13:26:37 2003 From: minshal1 at msu.edu (Benjamin Minshall) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:26:50 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Mismatched pair: cobol and me. Guru needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAA925D.6010006@msu.edu> One more thing. You should look at the local bookstores, Amazon, or BN for a "Teach yourself COBOL" style book. You can probably find one that comes with sample code and a compiler for the Windows/DOS platform. Jolyon Michael Vincent wrote: > Guru needed! send help! I'm drowning in a vat of anxiety. > non programmer seeks expert advice on COBOL for basic cobol class.... > > would like to know if there are any people in the LUG who know cobol and > would be willing to answer questions on an as-needed basis. Also would > like to know what resources msu has for programming help. > Tutoring/mentoring, learning labs etc etc....despite the fact that the > class isn't an msu class, I still need to find support. > Also, if you know how I can use Cobol in Linux Redhat 8.0 to make > something usable, please let me know. I don't know why I would need to > learn Cobol other than the fact that it is a programming language, and > it has a certain structure that might be found elsewhere. (my best guess). > Some background on my lack of programming: I took C++ at Rochester > Institute of Tech (www.rit.edu) and failed miserably. I took Basic in > grade school...Studied Virtual Basic at RIT (one week) but was generally > confused at that as well.Vbasic seemed to be more like web programming > (learned rudimentary HTML on my own...worked with dreamweaver for a-bit.) > Background on me: I am an artist, not a mathematician! And while my > spelling and grammar might be abit off here, I'm more of a journalist > than a programmer. > Can someone out there please teach me enough code to thwart my anxiety? > Don't get your free email at hotmail.com > http://www.???.org is much better. > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From mshirilla at micim.com Fri Nov 7 16:17:42 2003 From: mshirilla at micim.com (Matt Shirilla) Date: Fri Nov 7 16:17:05 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tunneling Message-ID: <423FA55A2E87AC428D933786A9E34A55214B94@smi01ms01.micim.com> I finally had a chance to use setup Cygwin/XFree86. Paul is correct in his assertion - It does rock. The display panel on my Linux install is of poor quality and using VNC only made matters worse. With a Cygwin/Xfree86 session from my W2K computer I get much higher quality display, I was not expecting that. I created a XDMCP session between my W2K and Linux computers. Here are the results of a netstat on my Windows box. 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32776 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32789 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32790 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32794 TIME_WAIT 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32795 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32796 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32797 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32798 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32799 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32800 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32805 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32808 ESTABLISHED Why so many connections? I would like to use Putty to tunnel the XDMCP session. Is there a good guide for this? >-----Original Message----- >From: Melson, Paul [mailto:PMelson@sequoianet.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:58 PM >Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Red Hat, VNC, and remote displays (was: >no subject) > > >I'm afraid I have disagree with you here. In both cases, you have a >client and a server. There are some differences in the way >that VNC and >X11 handle redraw areas and color, but in the end, the X >'server' or the >VNC client are both just displaying a bitmap on the local machine and >the application being viewed is using resources on the remote machine. > >The pro's and con's of each are different. X11 is much more flexible. >But it's a bandwidth pig, and can have problems with color >maps. VNC is >JAPCAC (just another PC/Anywhere clone), but it's a lot more remote >access-friendly. It also works with more operating systems. For >instance, you can view a WinXP desktop via VNC. Can't do that >with X11. >:-) There's even a WinCE client. > >PaulM > >PS - I'd like to shamelessly plug XFree86 for Cygwin. It >rocks. Remote >apps or not. I recently got the latest fluxbox-devel to compile along >with a couple of dock-apps. For those who can't stand WindowMaker (or >can't stand waiting for KDE on Cygwin to load), I highly recommend it, >and would love to help anyone that wants get it up and >running. I would >say that I probably work 30-40% in XFree86 on Cygwin. > > >PPS - Here is a little tidbit I sent around the office on getting VNC >working w/ XDMCP logins for RedHat 9. This will look familiar to SuSE >users: > >Thought some of you guys might find this useful. Sorta like Terminal >Services for RedHat, only not. :-) > >RedHat package requirements: >xinetd >vnc-server >[ all of the default GNOME/X11 stuff ] > > >1st, edit /etc/services and add the following line: > >vnc-login 5942/tcp XDM-style login for VNC > > >2nd, create the file /etc/xinetd.d/vnc and add the following: >service vnc-login >{ > socket_type = stream > protocol = tcp > wait = no > user = nobody > server = /usr/bin/Xvnc > server_args = :42 -inetd -once -query localhost -geometry >800x600 -depth 16 > type = UNLISTED > port = 5942 >} > >5942 was randomly picked just so that it's not 5900-5910 where default >VNC listeners often are. It has no significance other than it must be >the same here and in /etc/services. > > >3rd, restart xinetd (`/etc/init.d/xinetd.d restart`) > > >4th, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf > >Find the line containing "[xdmcp]" and the line below it: > >Enable=false > >Change "false" to "true" and save. > > >5th, restart gdm (`killall -HUP gdm-binary`), but be nice and let the >person at the console log off first. > > >6th, connect to "hostname:42" using the VNC client of your choice. > > >It tunnels well via SSH for security, too: > >ssh -fN user@linxbox -L 5942:127.0.0.1:5942 && vncviewer localhost:42 > > >Change "-depth 16" to "-depth 8" in /etc/xinetd.d/vnc for slower >connections where 256 colors can do the job. > > >-----Original Message----- >Thus, the amount of network traffic being generated is highly dependent >on the nature of the application, and X and VNC both generate different >kinds of traffic. Some applications might fare well with X and others >may feel more responsive with VNC. Some might perform horribly on both. >:) > > >I've always been tempted to try out the Cygwin XFree86 server, >but since >my workstation is a FreeBSD machine, I rarely need to display X >applications on a Windows, machine. Much more common is the reverse. :) >Although I'd like to experiment with thin clients running off a central >application server in the near future, so maybe the opportunity will >arise. > > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From computech at ispwest.com Mon Nov 10 01:30:05 2003 From: computech at ispwest.com (Wald) Date: Mon Nov 10 01:08:58 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <200311081700.hA8H0cJQ023445@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> Hello folk, I was reading some former emails of the mailing list; and one question about a weird situation with a sequence of command via loop in the prompt line called "why it doesn't work", I recalled that I had some weird problems with some shell script that was related to the use of variable; once I change the reference of one variable name from $TARGET to ${TARGET}, for instance, I solved the problem. I don't believe that is the point in the present dilemma; but who knows... At present time, I am facing some problem with the configuration of wi-fi pc card (cardbus) called DWL-650. I am using an old notebook Gateway Solo 2000 (Pentium MMX 166MHz) with support to cardbus 32 bits (as far I know), I have used pcmcia modem cards without problem. I have installed in such machine the Slackware 9.0 with the kernel 2.4.18 which came with the system natively, and one I compiled recently (2.4.22). I have the following pertinent configuration in the my kernel .config: PCMCIA/CardBus support: yes; CardBus support: Yes; i82365 compatable bridge support: Yes; and last but not least: Wireless LAN(non-hamradio): Yes. In order to use my not so new card; I installed PCMCIA-CS pck and the Linux-wlan Drivers. But whenever I insert the card it gives a high and a low beep, the card light doesn't start flashing... The following is a snippet of what I obtain when I enter "lsmod" and "depmod -a": Module Size Used by Not tainted ppp_generic 14664 1 (autoclean) slhc 4416 0 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] ds 6856 2 i82365 27228 2 pcmcia_core 44608 0 [ds i82365] ide-scsi 7456 0 depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/net/p80211.o I don't have the sources of the former kernel (I depleted of such source in order to untar the sources of the new kernel), but whenever I try to compile PCMCIA-CS and Linux-Wlan for the new kernel, at the final stage of the Linux-Wlan installation I have many unresolved symbols, all the tools was checked against the Changes file, so I believe that I messed up something with the kernel config (make menuconfig). By the way, thanks for the feedback about the linux certification, it was interesting to have a viewpoint of an insider. Any help would be greatly appreciated. (I will respond quickly) Pedro Wald --- On Reiserfs we trust There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 ICQ UIN: 14372714 Mobile: url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald ======= GNU/Linux =================== , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 :o_o: "-" #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 10 08:32:11 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 10 08:32:18 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tunneling Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1B8@lansingemail.seqnt.com> For what it's worth, TCP/6000 is the standard X11 protocol. Usually there is at least one connection per process thread to the display (e.g. there should be one connection per xterm if you only have xterm windows open). XDMCP (X display manager control protocol) is actually TCP/177, which is important to know if you need to tunnel both via SSH. There's a good example of setting up Putty for remote port forwarding here: http://www.silvertree.org/smtp_tunnel.htm The example is for POP3, IMAP, and SMTP, but should be easily applicable to XDMCP. For X11, just check the box further up on the 'Tunnels' dialog page and enter the display where your local X server is listening. Good luck! PaulM -----Original Message----- I created a XDMCP session between my W2K and Linux computers. Here are the results of a netstat on my Windows box. 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32776 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32789 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32790 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32794 TIME_WAIT 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32795 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32796 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32797 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32798 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32799 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32800 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32805 ESTABLISHED 192.168.80.86:6000 192.168.80.9:32808 ESTABLISHED Why so many connections? I would like to use Putty to tunnel the XDMCP session. Is there a good guide for this? From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 10 09:07:21 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 10 09:07:31 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Firewalls Cross-Ported to Windows Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1B9@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Sorry for the slow response on this. There are three that I personally like a lot. The first one is Tiny Firewall (http://www.tinysoftware.com/), which used to be free, but is now commercial. It's reasonably priced, though ($50, I think). Tiny Firewall is great because it provides a lot of control at the OS level as well as the network level. It also supports different user profiles, so that the degrees of security can be varied by user. Very granular, very powerful. I'm surprised it hasn't been bought up by one of the larger security players like Cisco or Symantec. In no particular order, the second and third are Kerio Personal Firewall (http://www.kerio.com/) and Sygate Personal Firewall (http://www.sygate.com/). Both have at least a free trial version, and I think SPF may still have a free version with fewer features than the commercial version. I like both of these because they're what you normally think of when you think of a firewall. You can create basic network rule sets for what is and isn't allowed, as well as reporting and some other security features. Not as thorough as Tiny, but easy to configure and understand. FWIW, I personally use SPF at work because the new Cisco VPN Client recognizes it. That way I can connect to concentrators that require a client firewall without using the one included with the client. PaulM -----Original Message----- We have 98, 2000, and XP boxes that we want this for. All client Windows boxes. Any recommendations? From mshirilla at micim.com Mon Nov 10 10:36:11 2003 From: mshirilla at micim.com (Matt Shirilla) Date: Mon Nov 10 10:35:29 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tunnel ing Message-ID: <423FA55A2E87AC428D933786A9E34A55214B98@smi01ms01.micim.com> I see now that I misunderstand what X11 and XDMCP are. I was wondering to myself how I was going to setup putty to tunnel this and the answer is I won't. I used the following command in the Cygwin bash shell to make the connection described in my original post: XWin.exe -query 192.168.0.9 Can I use Cygwin to make a XDMCP connection? >-----Original Message----- >From: Melson, Paul [mailto:PMelson@sequoianet.com] >Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:32 AM >To: Matt Shirilla; linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Subject: RE: [GLLUG] Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH >tunneling > > >For what it's worth, TCP/6000 is the standard X11 protocol. >Usually there is at least one connection per process thread to >the display (e.g. there should be one connection per xterm if >you only have xterm windows open). XDMCP (X display manager >control protocol) is actually TCP/177, which is important to >know if you need to tunnel both via SSH. > >There's a good example of setting up Putty for remote port >forwarding here: > >http://www.silvertree.org/smtp_tunnel.htm > >The example is for POP3, IMAP, and SMTP, but should be easily >applicable to XDMCP. For X11, just check the box further up >on the 'Tunnels' dialog page and enter the display where your >local X server is listening. Good luck! > >PaulM > > >-----Original Message----- >I created a XDMCP session between my W2K and Linux computers. >Here are the >results of a netstat on my Windows box. >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32776 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32789 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32790 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32794 TIME_WAIT >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32795 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32796 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32797 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32798 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32799 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32800 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32805 ESTABLISHED >192.168.0.86:6000 192.168.0.9:32808 ESTABLISHED > >Why so many connections? > >I would like to use Putty to tunnel the XDMCP session. Is there a good >guide for this? > > From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 10 11:27:10 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 10 11:27:20 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tunnel ing Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1BB@lansingemail.seqnt.com> I'm not sure I follow you. `XWin -query 192.168.0.9` makes an XDMCP connection to 192.168.0.9. If that works across the local network, and 192.168.0.9 is running the OpenSSH daemon, you should be able to tunnel both X11 and XDMCP over the same SSH connection with no trouble. Try this from a Cygwin shell: ssh [user]@192.168.0.9 -XNf -L 177:127.0.0.1:177 && /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 Alternately, if you're connecting to it through a different Linux/BSD firewall that's running OpenSSH, you can set up the port forwarding like this: ssh [user]@[fw-addr] -Nf -L 177:192.168.0.9:177 -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000 && /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 The above example assumes that there's no X server listening on port 6000 of the firewall, filtered or otherwise. Anyway, once you identify which tunneling scenario meets your needs, translating this into a PuTTY config should be straightforward. PaulM -----Original Message----- I see now that I misunderstand what X11 and XDMCP are. I was wondering to myself how I was going to setup putty to tunnel this and the answer is I won't. I used the following command in the Cygwin bash shell to make the connection described in my original post: XWin.exe -query 192.168.0.9 Can I use Cygwin to make a XDMCP connection? From vincen21 at msu.edu Mon Nov 10 19:12:07 2003 From: vincen21 at msu.edu (Jolyon Michael Vincent) Date: Mon Nov 10 19:12:11 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tunneling and XP routing In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1BB@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1BB@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: Melson, Paul writes: > I'm not sure I follow you. `XWin -query 192.168.0.9` makes an XDMCP connection to 192.168.0.9. If that works across the local network, and 192.168.0.9 is running the OpenSSH daemon, you should be able to tunnel both X11 and XDMCP over the same SSH connection with no trouble. Try this from a Cygwin shell: > > ssh [user]@192.168.0.9 -XNf -L 177:127.0.0.1:177 && /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 > > Alternately, if you're connecting to it through a different Linux/BSD firewall that's running OpenSSH, you can set up the port forwarding like this: > > ssh [user]@[fw-addr] -Nf -L 177:192.168.0.9:177 -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000 && /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 > > The above example assumes that there's no X server listening on port 6000 of the firewall, filtered or otherwise. > > Anyway, once you identify which tunneling scenario meets your needs, translating this into a PuTTY config should be straightforward. > > PaulM > > -----Original Message----- > I see now that I misunderstand what X11 and XDMCP are. I was wondering to > myself how I was going to setup putty to tunnel this and the answer is I > won't. I used the following command in the Cygwin bash shell to make the > connection described in my original post: > XWin.exe -query 192.168.0.9 > Can I use Cygwin to make a XDMCP connection? > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user This sounds very interesting, and close to the goals I have for my own network. Can I network cgywn(sp) and XP home with linux 6.0 somehow to the outside world through a linksys wireless router? even better, can I get cgywin to run a vnc client to connect between my LAN and a lan at .edu when the .edu lan is also behind a firewall of sorts? local lan machines at the .edu range around say... 192.168.21.176 Don't get your free email at hotmail.com http://www.???.org is much better. From mshirilla at micim.com Tue Nov 11 11:01:42 2003 From: mshirilla at micim.com (Matt Shirilla) Date: Tue Nov 11 11:00:53 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH tu nneling and XP routing Message-ID: <423FA55A2E87AC428D933786A9E34A55214B9F@smi01ms01.micim.com> Jolyan, Paul Melson made a post at the end of last month that describes how to use VNC to connect a remote system. I followed it exactly and it worked for me. Matt >-----Original Message----- >From: Jolyon Michael Vincent [mailto:vincen21@msu.edu] >Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:12 PM >To: Melson, Paul >Cc: Matt Shirilla; linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Questions about Cygwin/XFree86 - ports and SSH >tunneling and XP routing > > >Melson, Paul writes: > >> I'm not sure I follow you. `XWin -query 192.168.0.9` makes >an XDMCP connection to 192.168.0.9. If that works across the >local network, and 192.168.0.9 is running the OpenSSH daemon, >you should be able to tunnel both X11 and XDMCP over the same >SSH connection with no trouble. Try this from a Cygwin shell: >> >> ssh [user]@192.168.0.9 -XNf -L 177:127.0.0.1:177 && >/usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 >> >> Alternately, if you're connecting to it through a different >Linux/BSD firewall that's running OpenSSH, you can set up the >port forwarding like this: >> >> ssh [user]@[fw-addr] -Nf -L 177:192.168.0.9:177 -R >6000:127.0.0.1:6000 && /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -query 127.0.0.1 >> >> The above example assumes that there's no X server listening >on port 6000 of the firewall, filtered or otherwise. >> >> Anyway, once you identify which tunneling scenario meets >your needs, translating this into a PuTTY config should be >straightforward. >> >> PaulM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> I see now that I misunderstand what X11 and XDMCP are. I >was wondering to >> myself how I was going to setup putty to tunnel this and the >answer is I >> won't. I used the following command in the Cygwin bash >shell to make the >> connection described in my original post: >> XWin.exe -query 192.168.0.9 >> Can I use Cygwin to make a XDMCP connection? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-user mailing list >> linux-user@egr.msu.edu >> http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > >This sounds very interesting, and close to the goals I have for my own >network. Can I network cgywn(sp) and XP home with linux 6.0 >somehow to the >outside world through a linksys wireless router? > >even better, can I get cgywin to run a vnc client to connect >between my LAN >and a lan at .edu when the .edu lan is also behind a firewall of sorts? >local lan machines at the .edu range around say... 192.168.21.176 > >Don't get your free email at hotmail.com >http://www.???.org is much better. > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From jerf at jerf.org Tue Nov 11 12:44:00 2003 From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:45:53 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> Message-ID: <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> Wald wrote: > At present time, I am facing some problem with the configuration of wi-fi > pc card (cardbus) called DWL-650. Which DWL-650? There are at least three distinct "DWL-650"'s. Only the oldest one works, IIRC; certainly the one I bought last week doesn't (at least on my Linux). I've learned about this the hard way the past few days; I've been trying to buy a wireless card that will work in Linux. I can't find one new. Every time I look a card up and find out that works in Linux, I go to buy it only to discover that the god damned card manufacturor has almost secretly changed the chipset the card uses to something else that doesn't work in Linux. Anyone who knows where I can get a *real* wireless card for Linux please let me know. Be careful, I've tried both the DWL-650 and something from D-Link and they were both new chipsets, so even ones that used to work may not work if you bought the same model number today. The latest DWL-650 IIRC uses the RealTek8180L chipset, which RealTek has sort of provided drivers for, but they're partially binary and that binary part didn't work for me; they compiled with gcc 3.2 and I have 3.3. (Among other problems; there's about three reasons this driver doesn't work for me.) Then again, you may not have the latest. Have you ever had this card working in Linux before? If not I'd triple check the chipset before proceding; you may find it never will work. Alternatively, try the DriverLoader from http://www.linuxant.com/company/ ; it's for-pay with a free trial and it teaches Linux to use Windows XP drivers. It almost, but not quite, works for my D-Link card; I can get Internet for 10-15 seconds but then it stops for some reason. (I've shut off ACPI and don't have APIC in the kernel at all so the FAQ and I are fresh out of ideas. And I've already burned enough time fighting that it's just going back to the store later today.) Wireless in Linux is frustrating enough without the damned vendors selling three or four utterly different cards with the same name. From blp at cs.stanford.edu Tue Nov 11 19:15:11 2003 From: blp at cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: Tue Nov 11 14:15:13 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> Message-ID: <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Jeremy Bowers writes: > Anyone who knows where I can get a *real* wireless card for Linux > please let me know. Be careful, I've tried both the DWL-650 and > something from D-Link and they were both new chipsets, so even ones > that used to work may not work if you bought the same model number > today. Try a Lucent Orinoco card. Should work fine. -- Stanford Ph.D. Candidate - MSU Alumnus - Debian Maintainer - GNU Developer www.benpfaff.org From jerf at jerf.org Tue Nov 11 14:25:12 2003 From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Tue Nov 11 14:27:01 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> Ben Pfaff wrote: > Try a Lucent Orinoco card. Should work fine. My point is I'm trying to find one and I can't. I've already systematically eliminated all the "B" wireless cards currently in stock at Best Buy, except for the Microsoft offering which I have to admit I've simply assumed won't work in Linux. (*cough*) I've been burned twice now on switch-o-change-o chipsets and so I'm not inclined to order something online, only to discover that it too has switched to some POS chipset with no Linux support, and horrid return procedures. (There's no way to learn from Best Buy's website *which* DWL-650 they are selling, for instance; few people seem to bother listing the *sub*-revision of the card they are selling. I've never found any.) Does anyone have experience with the currently-available "G" cards working in Linux? I hate to buy a G card for a B network ($$$) but maybe they'll have a higher quality (i.e., "works in Linux") chipset? From josh at liquidweb.com Tue Nov 11 14:44:16 2003 From: josh at liquidweb.com (josh) Date: Tue Nov 11 14:44:22 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3FB13C10.6050309@liquidweb.com> Ben Pfaff wrote: > Try a Lucent Orinoco card. Should work fine. I second the Orinoco recommendation. Plus, you can get a pigtail antenna adapter, and make your very own Pringles can antenna. There are several drivers for the Orinoco card, I'm successfully using the orinoco_cs driver. You can find info about the various drivers here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html You can order them online if you need to. -- Josh Liquid Web From jglass at liquidweb.com Tue Nov 11 15:07:21 2003 From: jglass at liquidweb.com (Joseph Glass) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:07:28 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> Message-ID: <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> For those of you that haven't heard, www.linuxant.com offers a program called driverloader which lets you use many unsupported wireless chipsets with their respective windows driver under Linux. I'm using this with my Broadcomm 54g card, and it also has support for Intel's Centrino cards. It works well until 2.4.22 and the 2.4.23 test kernels, though I'm still trying to get it work with my 2.6 test9 kernel. It's very easy to get working, you just need to include wireless extensions in the kernel and run their setup utilities. It's free for 30 days, after that it's $20. Along the lines of your frustrations, I bought a DWL-122 from Best Buy, which is a USB 802.11b adaptor. It was supposedly supported with linux-wlan-ng, but the card I bought used a different hardware address than the one in they supported. But, with a simple 1 line patch that told the driver to also look at the correct hardware address, and a quick recompile of the wlan-ng tools, everything was peachy. I don't have my laptop booted right now, but if you're interested, I can post the patch. Good Luck, Joe Glass On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 14:25, Jeremy Bowers wrote: > Ben Pfaff wrote: > > Try a Lucent Orinoco card. Should work fine. > > My point is I'm trying to find one and I can't. I've already > systematically eliminated all the "B" wireless cards currently in stock > at Best Buy, except for the Microsoft offering which I have to admit > I've simply assumed won't work in Linux. (*cough*) > > I've been burned twice now on switch-o-change-o chipsets and so I'm not > inclined to order something online, only to discover that it too has > switched to some POS chipset with no Linux support, and horrid return > procedures. (There's no way to learn from Best Buy's website *which* > DWL-650 they are selling, for instance; few people seem to bother > listing the *sub*-revision of the card they are selling. I've never > found any.) > > Does anyone have experience with the currently-available "G" cards > working in Linux? I hate to buy a G card for a B network ($$$) but maybe > they'll have a higher quality (i.e., "works in Linux") chipset? > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Joseph Glass Systems Administrator Liquid Web Inc. 800.580.4985 x227 From blp at cs.stanford.edu Tue Nov 11 20:11:40 2003 From: blp at cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:11:43 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> Message-ID: <87y8umis4i.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Jeremy Bowers writes: > My point is I'm trying to find one and I can't. I've already > systematically eliminated all the "B" wireless cards currently in > stock at Best Buy, except for the Microsoft offering which I have to > admit I've simply assumed won't work in Linux. (*cough*) At least one version of Microsoft wireless card is listed on a webpage as supported: http://www.lfriendly.com/wireless.html In fact it's listed in the same group as a bunch of Orinoco-based cards. -- Peter Seebach on managing engineers: "It's like herding cats, only most of the engineers are already sick of laser pointers." From brucesmith at chartermi.net Tue Nov 11 15:36:30 2003 From: brucesmith at chartermi.net (Bruce Smith) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:36:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> > For those of you that haven't heard, www.linuxant.com offers a program > called driverloader which lets you use many unsupported wireless > chipsets with their respective windows driver under Linux. I'm using > this with my Broadcomm 54g card, and it also has support for Intel's > Centrino cards. It works well until 2.4.22 and the 2.4.23 test kernels, What do you mean by the last line "... works well _until_ 2.4.22 ..."? "UNTIL"? Are you saying it doesn't work well with 2.4.22 & 2.4.23? BTW, I tried it on my Toshiba Centrino laptop and couldn't make it work. It locked up the entire PC. But I see there is a new version out now, and I've since upgraded from Redhat 9 to Fedora, so I might try again. - BS From jglass at liquidweb.com Tue Nov 11 15:48:04 2003 From: jglass at liquidweb.com (Joseph Glass) Date: Tue Nov 11 15:48:24 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> Message-ID: <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> That was a typo, what I meant to type was: it works well with 2.4.22 and 2.4.23, but not with 2.6-test9. Thanks for the correction. The mailing lists have been very active recently with discussion on centrino, so you might try there as a resource. Again, good luck :) Joe Glass On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:36, Bruce Smith wrote: > What do you mean by the last line "... works well _until_ 2.4.22 ..."? > "UNTIL"? Are you saying it doesn't work well with 2.4.22 & 2.4.23? > > BTW, I tried it on my Toshiba Centrino laptop and couldn't make it work. > It locked up the entire PC. But I see there is a new version out now, > and I've since upgraded from Redhat 9 to Fedora, so I might try again. > > - BS > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Joseph Glass Systems Administrator Liquid Web Inc. 800.580.4985 x227 From brucesmith at chartermi.net Tue Nov 11 16:00:20 2003 From: brucesmith at chartermi.net (Bruce Smith) Date: Tue Nov 11 16:00:25 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <1068584420.24631.31.camel@lx1> > That was a typo, what I meant to type was: it works well with 2.4.22 and > 2.4.23, but not with 2.6-test9. Thanks for the correction. The mailing > lists have been very active recently with discussion on centrino, so you > might try there as a resource. No problem. I was hoping it was a typo, but I wanted to make sure before I wasted any more time trying to get it running on my laptop. :-) _ BS From blp at cs.stanford.edu Tue Nov 11 22:14:35 2003 From: blp at cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: Tue Nov 11 17:14:37 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <1068584420.24631.31.camel@lx1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <87u15aimf5.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> > That was a typo, what I meant to type was: it works well with 2.4.22 and > 2.4.23, [...] While we're on the subject of typos, there is no such kernel version 2.4.23. -- "I want more Keith!" From mjmccarty at lycos.com Tue Nov 11 18:30:17 2003 From: mjmccarty at lycos.com (Michael J McCarty) Date: Tue Nov 11 18:30:40 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) Message-ID: I'm glad y'all got back into this topic. I've just gotten back to fighting with the 2WIRE card from SBS/Yahoo. Trying it with Mandrake 9.0 has worked up to configuring the device. The hardware is recognised as a Prism II chipset at least. Running Drakconnect configuration tool gets up to a fill-in-the-blanks page that has me stumped. The help line folks guessed at some stuff. Not bad for a company that 'doesn't support linux'. WIRELESS_FREQ they figure is 2437 that's MHz for Channel 6 WiFi (most common one used). WIRELESS_RATE is probably 11 that's MB/s. The cork in the bottle is: What is WIRELESS_SENS and what do I type in the blank after it? If I can get this last blank filled I may be able to complete the configuration. Mike McCarty ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From PMelson at sequoianet.com Tue Nov 11 22:47:43 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Tue Nov 11 22:47:52 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C4@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Has anyone with an Orinoco card gotten the orinoco_cs monitor patch to work with RedHat? Thanks, PaulM -----Original Message----- From: josh [mailto:josh@liquidweb.com] Sent: Tue 11/11/2003 2:44 PM To: blp@cs.stanford.edu Cc: linux-user@egr.msu.edu; Jeremy Bowers Subject: Re: [GLLUG] dwl-120 (wi-fi) Ben Pfaff wrote: > Try a Lucent Orinoco card. Should work fine. I second the Orinoco recommendation. Plus, you can get a pigtail antenna adapter, and make your very own Pringles can antenna. There are several drivers for the Orinoco card, I'm successfully using the orinoco_cs driver. You can find info about the various drivers here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html You can order them online if you need to. -- Josh Liquid Web _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031111/8b9697c3/attachment-0001.htm From PMelson at sequoianet.com Wed Nov 12 16:31:23 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Wed Nov 12 16:31:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Solaris Express 11/03 Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Slightly off-topic, but if anyone is interested, Sun has made a free non-commercial preview of Solaris 10 available for download via Software Express. http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/sol_index.html PaulM From mike at mreed.org Wed Nov 12 19:54:04 2003 From: mike at mreed.org (Mike Reed) Date: Wed Nov 12 19:54:13 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Area volunteering In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <33120.35.12.23.81.1068684844.squirrel@www.mreed.org> I'm thinking about doing a bit of volunteer work in the area and hoped to tap the collective for thoughts. Ideally, I'd find something for a couple of hours, once or twice a week. My ideas so far: -- Entry/mid-level freebie community computer classes where I could lend a hand. -- Working with donated parts to refurb and donate computers. -- Insert additional ideas here I'd like to help out with something where people would get some actual benefit -- not just a "make your own webpage complete with BLINK tags and animated GIFs" situation. Added bonus if my computer-savvy but non-geek wife could help out too. I'm open to ideas, so if people have other thought/possibilities, please don't limit the comments to these areas. What's out there? What have you done? Mike Reed From ejmiller at comcast.net Wed Nov 12 22:12:06 2003 From: ejmiller at comcast.net (Eric Miller) Date: Wed Nov 12 22:12:20 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] OT: Area volunteering References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> <33120.35.12.23.81.1068684844.squirrel@www.mreed.org> Message-ID: <006d01c3a993$ebf478e0$4500a8c0@athena> > I'm thinking about doing a bit of volunteer work in the > area and hoped to tap the collective for thoughts. > Ideally, I'd find something for a couple of hours, once > or twice a week. I've heard that Closing The Digital Gap is a great program. http://www.ctdg.org/indexmain.shtml CTDG Mission Statement Our mission is to provide low-income residents of the service area the opportunity to earn a computer, receive basic computer and Internet training and access, and assist them in making connections with community resources for further training that may lead to employment and/or educational enrichment for participants and their families. From gllug at gllug.org Thu Nov 13 00:05:01 2003 From: gllug at gllug.org (GLLUG.org Calendar Notification) Date: Thu Nov 13 00:05:10 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] REMINDER - Nov. 13, 2003 Meeting Message-ID: <200311130505.hAD551I00281@idealso.com> This is an automated reminder from the GLLUG.org calendar for the following event: TITLE: Nov. 13, 2003 Meeting DESCRIPTION: To be held at Atmosphere Annealing. Agenda as follows: Introductions Linux Intro and Cheat Sheet Questions Fun Technologies and Gadgets LPI Certification Prep LOCATION: Atmosphere Annealing (http://www.gllug.org/mod.php?mod=calendar&op=list_events&loc_id=1) DATE/TIME: Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 6:00PM For more information, see the Greater Lansing Linux Users Group website at http://www.gllug.org. From computech at ispwest.com Fri Nov 14 03:58:25 2003 From: computech at ispwest.com (Pedro Wald) Date: Fri Nov 14 03:37:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] DWL-650L2 Message-ID: <200311140358.25436.computech@ispwest.com> Hello, The following link point to a possible solution with respect to the problem relating to the dwl-650: http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357 So apparently, based on the informationp provided by the site my revision (being L1 or L2) is supported. Based on the following url I was driven to the conclusion that mine is a DWL-650L1, even if the bar code contains the H/W:L2 rather than the H/W:L1. (based the shape of the item). Which makes me think that it is only a revision of firmware. I will trying them and report back. By the way, I am also facing some problems regarding the dwl-120 (it is a wireless usb device); the last reports about it were very pessimistic. Did anyone try such device with any level of success. Thanks a lot for the feedback! Pedro Wald From jerf at jerf.org Fri Nov 14 10:59:49 2003 From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:57:25 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] linuxant drivers - was dwl-120 (wi-fi) In-Reply-To: <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031110010624.00e66bd0@pop.ispwest.com> <3FB11FE0.7060202@jerf.org> <873ccuk9am.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> <3FB13798.6020206@jerf.org> <1068581241.10180.119.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> <1068582990.24631.26.camel@lx1> <1068583684.14944.140.camel@apathy.liquidweb.com> Message-ID: <3FB4FBF5.8080108@jerf.org> I had been trying out the linuxant drivers before the email but I hadn't gotten them to work yet. I now have them working in 2.6.0-test9, at least somewhat. It crashes the computer if I close the lid (and trigger the lid sensor) or remove the card (without running the unloader first, which I haven't remembered to try yet), and it's not taking WEP keys, but other then that, when it works, it works fine. (WEP isn't that impressive to me anyhow and I intend to take other security measures instead.) The driver is in heavy development, too; just a couple of days ago the Linuxant drivers would put init into an infinite loop, which meant you couldn't automatically cleanly shut down or reboot; that has been fixed. I hit some other things but they were fixed too since my last email. Hopefully with a bit more development the Linuxant drivers will be a viable alternative. Now that Windows finally has some decent driver architectures it'd be neat to see some more of these compability layers for Windows drivers. From hoortbri at msu.edu Fri Nov 14 10:03:44 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Fri Nov 14 10:03:51 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Quickie AMD Newbie Question Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114100212.01dd8d38@mail.msu.edu> Group, I've got my first AMD -- an Athlon. Under the kernel optimizations, I should choose IA32 and not AMD K6 or K7, right? Thanks, -- Brian Hoort It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. Abraham Lincoln From danceswithcrows at usa.net Fri Nov 14 10:51:06 2003 From: danceswithcrows at usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Fri Nov 14 10:56:05 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Quickie AMD Newbie Question In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114100212.01dd8d38@mail.msu.edu> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114100212.01dd8d38@mail.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200311141051.06012.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Friday 14 November 2003 10:03, after a long battle with technology, Brian Hoort wrote: > I've got my first AMD -- an Athlon. Under the kernel optimizations, > I should choose IA32 and not AMD K6 or K7, right? Athlon{TBird,XP,MP} = K7; the menu choice in "make menuconfig" you want is labeled "Athlon/Duron/K7". "IA32" is not a valid CPU type; it describes everything from a 386 to the latest Athlon MP. If you meant "should I compile my kernel for a 386 instead of the processor type I have?", I don't know. Some people say things actually work faster this way. I never saw significant improvements from trying that. The big win comes from compiling libc and CPU-intensive applications (mplayer, xine, etcetera) with -O2 , MMX/SSE, and -march= set properly. -- Seemingly ordinary humans transform into rage-fueled sarcasm dispensers. I love it! --Patrick Shaughnessy There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From dincht at securenym.net Fri Nov 14 12:10:41 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Fri Nov 14 11:18:31 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Solaris Express 11/03 In-Reply-To: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> References: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1C5@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Message-ID: <200311141611.hAEGBap18044@anon.securenym.net> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 16:31, Melson, Paul wrote: > Slightly off-topic, but if anyone is interested, Sun has made a > free non-commercial preview of Solaris 10 available for download > via Software Express. > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/sol_index.html > > PaulM The page says that you have to have an existing Solaris license in order to qualify for the Software Express program. Although to register to download Solaris 10, it looks like all they want is your name and email address. I'd love to check it out if only I had the time. :( Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From hoortbri at msu.edu Fri Nov 14 12:27:35 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Fri Nov 14 12:27:45 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Quickie AMD Newbie Question In-Reply-To: <200311141051.06012.danceswithcrows@usa.net> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114100212.01dd8d38@mail.msu.edu> <200311141051.06012.danceswithcrows@usa.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114121957.01e82808@mail.msu.edu> Obviously, I should have been more detailed in my question, though I think you answer most of it. Was trying to be brief. I'm running Debian, and want to not compile my own kernel, unless necessary for function. When you look through the available kernel packages, (kernel-image-2.4.18-1-[chip designation goes here]) there is no mention of Athlon, and I wasn't sure which one to choose. I was trying to ask in a generic way so that I could also use the advice to compile my own kernel if necessary. Given your response, I should choose: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-K7 Thanks! At 10:51 AM 11/14/2003, you wrote: >On Friday 14 November 2003 10:03, after a long battle with technology, >Brian Hoort wrote: > > I've got my first AMD -- an Athlon. Under the kernel optimizations, > > I should choose IA32 and not AMD K6 or K7, right? > >Athlon{TBird,XP,MP} = K7; the menu choice in "make menuconfig" you want >is labeled "Athlon/Duron/K7". "IA32" is not a valid CPU type; it >describes everything from a 386 to the latest Athlon MP. > >If you meant "should I compile my kernel for a 386 instead of the >processor type I have?", I don't know. Some people say things actually >work faster this way. I never saw significant improvements from trying >that. The big win comes from compiling libc and CPU-intensive >applications (mplayer, xine, etcetera) with -O2 , MMX/SSE, and -march= >set properly. From hoortbri at msu.edu Fri Nov 14 13:04:31 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:04:37 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] what is, fs'tab'? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114130338.01ea8ec0@mail.msu.edu> Is the "tab" in inittab and fstab an acronym? -- Brian Hoort From PMelson at sequoianet.com Fri Nov 14 13:20:37 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:20:49 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] what is, fs'tab'? Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E5883613@lansingemail.seqnt.com> In those cases, it's short for "table." Not really an acronym, I guess. PaulM -----Original Message----- Is the "tab" in inittab and fstab an acronym? From picasso at madflower.com Fri Nov 14 13:32:36 2003 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:32:41 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] what is, fs'tab'? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114130338.01ea8ec0@mail.msu.edu> Message-ID: I believe it is short for table and not an acronym On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Brian Hoort wrote: > Is the "tab" in inittab and fstab an acronym? > > > > -- > Brian Hoort > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From SMachaje at grcc.edu Fri Nov 14 13:33:53 2003 From: SMachaje at grcc.edu (Szymon Machajewski) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:34:13 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] VMware Message-ID: Register? http://www.vmware.com/landing/lug.html Sincerely, Szymon Machajewski MCSD, CNA Grand Rapids Community College "He will not be afraid even of bad news. His heart is steadfast, made reliant upon Jehovah." Psalms 112:7 From ase at sysfail.com Fri Nov 14 13:49:27 2003 From: ase at sysfail.com (fail) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:49:34 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] what is, fs'tab'? References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114130338.01ea8ec0@mail.msu.edu> Message-ID: <001101c3aae0$07d32460$6501a8c0@bob> > Is the "tab" in inittab and fstab an acronym? I always assumed fstab to be short for filesystem table. As well as inittab to be short for init table. good question though. -Gordon Keesler [aSe@SysFail.com] From hoortbri at msu.edu Fri Nov 14 14:53:23 2003 From: hoortbri at msu.edu (Brian Hoort) Date: Fri Nov 14 14:53:27 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] VMware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031114145236.01de6138@mail.msu.edu> Notice the title of that page? Oops! At 01:33 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote: >Register? > >http://www.vmware.com/landing/lug.html From arcmna at softhome.net Fri Nov 14 20:59:29 2003 From: arcmna at softhome.net (arcmna) Date: Fri Nov 14 20:59:36 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Old Computer Message-ID: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> Hey everyone, I had some old systems I was interested in passing on. I picked them up at the MSU Salvage Yard a while back, and have no use for them. I have: - Macintosh II - Macintosh IIsi . both of these work, no NICs or modems but the systems work fine - 1 set of Macintosh Keyboard/Monitor/Mouse, works with both systems - Old 133mhz PC w/128mb RAM, working cd-rom, NIC seems to be dead (this has slackware installed on it right now) Thanks, Andrew From picasso at madflower.com Sat Nov 15 04:33:26 2003 From: picasso at madflower.com (Sean O'Malley) Date: Sat Nov 15 04:33:30 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Old Computer In-Reply-To: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> Message-ID: I think i have a nic for the IIsi around here somewhere and I _might_ have some smaller pieces of ram for it that would let you get to like 5 or 9 meg. I might actually have all the software for that too unless you want to put netbsd or openbsd on it. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, arcmna wrote: > Hey everyone, I had some old systems I was interested in passing on. I > picked them up at the MSU Salvage Yard a while back, and have no use > for them. > > I have: > > - Macintosh II > - Macintosh IIsi > . both of these work, no NICs or modems but the systems work fine > - 1 set of Macintosh Keyboard/Monitor/Mouse, works with both systems > > - Old 133mhz PC w/128mb RAM, working cd-rom, NIC seems to be dead (this > has slackware installed on it right now) > > Thanks, > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From computech at ispwest.com Sat Nov 15 09:29:37 2003 From: computech at ispwest.com (Wald) Date: Sat Nov 15 09:08:21 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] nfs via laplink+pppd In-Reply-To: <200311141701.hAEH0KAB015418@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031115091733.00e69100@pop.ispwest.com> Hello, Thanks Jeremy Bowers for the response regarding the dwl-120, I will try the connexant drivers in a near future. I have downloaded the Knoppix (which sounds like a viable and compact distro), there are some that can be store in a MINICD (which is quite impressive to having an self-contained and complete linux distro in a single MINICD). But the point is that I am trying to install the Knoppix in my notebook (which happens to don't have any mass media store with exception of the hda). So, I was think of using a minidistro (one which fits in a floppy disk) to establish a connection via pppd over a nullmodem cable and afterwards to establish and configure a connection with the server (nfsd - my desktop) in order share the cdrom unit (as it seems, I don't have a nic interface in my notebook). I have plenty of experience in establishing pppd based on a nullmodem cable and tunneling the nfs over it; but I don't know of any minidistro which eventually could serve such purpose. Pedro Wald --- On Reiserfs we trust There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 ICQ UIN: 14372714 Mobile: url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald ======= GNU/Linux =================== , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 :o_o: "-" #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# From sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 11:44:36 2003 From: sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net (Seth Bembeneck) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:44:54 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Looking for an email autoresponder Message-ID: <000001c3ab97$c4e79ab0$0a01a8c0@seth> I have finally gotten an email server going and would like to add an auto responder. One of the guides that I have been following for installing postfix, mentions mailman. But I can't find it using emerge mailman. Any suggestions? Thanks, Seth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031115/fd2fb49a/attachment.htm From wattersm at wattersm.net Sat Nov 15 13:01:00 2003 From: wattersm at wattersm.net (Michael Watters) Date: Sat Nov 15 13:01:08 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Old Computer In-Reply-To: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> References: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> Message-ID: <3FB669DC.8080701@wattersm.net> arcmna wrote: > Hey everyone, I had some old systems I was interested in passing on. I > picked them up at the MSU Salvage Yard a while back, and have no use for > them. > > I have: > > - Macintosh II > - Macintosh IIsi > . both of these work, no NICs or modems but the systems work fine > - 1 set of Macintosh Keyboard/Monitor/Mouse, works with both systems > > - Old 133mhz PC w/128mb RAM, working cd-rom, NIC seems to be dead (this > has slackware installed on it right now) > > Thanks, > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > Speaking of old computers, anybody know a good place to get rid of old PCs? I have a Pentium II 300 system that I'd like to get rid of, it's just collecting dust right now. From danceswithcrows at usa.net Sat Nov 15 13:10:02 2003 From: danceswithcrows at usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Nov 15 13:15:05 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Looking for an email autoresponder In-Reply-To: <000001c3ab97$c4e79ab0$0a01a8c0@seth> References: <000001c3ab97$c4e79ab0$0a01a8c0@seth> Message-ID: <200311151310.02409.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:44, after a long battle with technology, Seth Bembeneck wrote: > I have finally gotten an email server going and would like to add an > auto responder. > One of the guides that I have been following for installing postfix, > mentions mailman. But I can't find it using emerge mailman. Funny, "emerge -p mailman" tells me that all the mailman ebuilds are there, but masked. No problem, just cd /usr/portage/net-mail/mailman and edit one of the ebuild files, removing the ~ from in front of the "~x86" , then try emerging it again. -- Stupidity got us into this mess--why can't it get us out? There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From jennifer at confettifalling.com Sat Nov 15 19:06:45 2003 From: jennifer at confettifalling.com (Jennifer) Date: Sat Nov 15 19:06:34 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Old Computer In-Reply-To: <3FB669DC.8080701@wattersm.net> References: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> <3FB669DC.8080701@wattersm.net> Message-ID: <3FB6BF95.5000709@confettifalling.com> Contact these people, I'm sure they could use the parts, at least: http://www.ctdg.org/indexmain.shtml Michael Watters wrote: > Speaking of old computers, anybody know a good place to get rid of old > PCs? I have a Pentium II 300 system that I'd like to get rid of, it's > just collecting dust right now. From c.tower at express56.com Sun Nov 16 10:56:59 2003 From: c.tower at express56.com (Chick Tower) Date: Sun Nov 16 05:57:01 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: What Is fs'tab'? In-Reply-To: <200311151700.hAFH0G5D004182@egr.msu.edu> References: <200311151700.hAFH0G5D004182@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <1068961119.2086.6.camel@localhost> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Brian Hoort wrote: > Is the "tab" in inittab and fstab an acronym? Exactly! It stands for Tease Any Brian. :) From bigjay at bigjay.net Sun Nov 16 11:09:09 2003 From: bigjay at bigjay.net (Jayson L) Date: Sun Nov 16 11:14:24 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Old Computer References: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net><3FB669DC.8080701@wattersm.net> <3FB6BF95.5000709@confettifalling.com> <01cc01c3ac16$cd3eaa80$eba6fea9@bigjay1> <3FB76F59.7060603@confettifalling.com> <023b01c3ac71$5f168860$eba6fea9@bigjay1> <3FB79D22.9090802@confettifalling.com> Message-ID: <024e01c3ac75$1dfd5a80$eba6fea9@bigjay1> For both people who are looking to get rid of the machines....the 133 and the 300, what are you wanting for them? E-mail me at bigjay@bigjay.net Thanks Jayson From glowack2 at msu.edu Mon Nov 17 11:22:04 2003 From: glowack2 at msu.edu (Edward Glowacki) Date: Mon Nov 17 11:22:14 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] HTML/PHP form submission problem - periods become underscores Message-ID: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> I'm having a weird problem with HTML form submission. My form contains a series of entries like the following: However, when I try to extract the data from $_REQUEST, it has no key for "system:www.msu.edu", but it DOES have "system:www_msu_edu". I would try to search-and-replace underscores with periods, but underscores are also valid in this context. Is there something in the form data encoding, or HTTP/HTML specs that specify "." as an invalid character that would cause this problem? I think I'm using the proper encoding:
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! -ED -- Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu A PBS mind in an MTV world. -- Author unknown From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 17 16:14:53 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:16:52 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] HTML/PHP form submission problem - periods become underscores In-Reply-To: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> References: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200311172015.hAHKFqm05506@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 11:22, Edward Glowacki wrote: > I'm having a weird problem with HTML form submission. My form contains > a series of entries like the following: > > > > However, when I try to extract the data from $_REQUEST, it has no key > for "system:www.msu.edu", but it DOES have "system:www_msu_edu". I > would try to search-and-replace underscores with periods, but > underscores are also valid in this context. Is there something in the > form data encoding, or HTTP/HTML specs that specify "." as an invalid > character that would cause this problem? I think I'm using the proper > encoding: > > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -ED I've never seen this myself, and I don't know PHP, but perhaps the period has special significance in PHP variables? Assuming that this might be expected behavior, you could try URI-encoding the periods with %2E. The browser will still display and handle it as a period, but you'll need to decode it when it gets sent back. I would be highly surprised if PHP didn't have a function or library or something to make this easy. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From dincht at securenym.net Mon Nov 17 16:19:00 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Mon Nov 17 15:26:27 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] HTML/PHP form submission problem - periods become underscores In-Reply-To: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> References: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200311172022.hAHKMWJ07152@anon.securenym.net> On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 11:22, Edward Glowacki wrote: > I'm having a weird problem with HTML form submission. My form contains > a series of entries like the following: > > > > However, when I try to extract the data from $_REQUEST, it has no key > for "system:www.msu.edu", but it DOES have "system:www_msu_edu". I > would try to search-and-replace underscores with periods, but > underscores are also valid in this context. Is there something in the > form data encoding, or HTTP/HTML specs that specify "." as an invalid > character that would cause this problem? I think I'm using the proper > encoding: > > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -ED I've never seen this myself, and I don't know PHP, but perhaps the period has special significance in PHP variables? Assuming that this might be expected behavior, you could try URI-encoding the periods with %2E. The browser will still display and handle it as a period, but you'll need to decode it when it gets sent back. I would be highly surprised if PHP didn't have a function or library or something to make this easy. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From brad at mtsdev.com Mon Nov 17 21:19:01 2003 From: brad at mtsdev.com (Brad Fears) Date: Mon Nov 17 21:19:07 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] HTML/PHP form submission problem - periods becomeunderscores In-Reply-To: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> References: <1069086124.48893.153.camel@hurakan.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <32844.35.12.26.79.1069121941.squirrel@mirsnews.com> It's not your form, it's PHP. You cannot have periods in your variable names. --Brad Fears Edward Glowacki said: > I'm having a weird problem with HTML form submission. My form contains > a series of entries like the following: > > > > However, when I try to extract the data from $_REQUEST, it has no key > for "system:www.msu.edu", but it DOES have "system:www_msu_edu". I > would try to search-and-replace underscores with periods, but > underscores are also valid in this context. Is there something in the > form data encoding, or HTTP/HTML specs that specify "." as an invalid > character that would cause this problem? I think I'm using the proper > encoding: > > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -ED > > -- > Edward Glowacki glowack2@msu.edu > A PBS mind in an MTV world. > -- Author unknown > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From jeff at idealso.com Mon Nov 17 22:20:13 2003 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:20:22 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Meeting and LPI Certification Schedule Message-ID: <1069125613.6118.419.camel@server.ltsp> The meeting of November 13 had 8 attendees. Introductions took place at 6:30 after general discussion. A cheat sheet packet was then passed out and discussed. It included: vi quick reference http://www.zippydesign.com/ying/linux/vi/ The One Page Linux Manual http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~squadron/linuxmanual.pdf Linux help was mostly copied from Linux newbie administration guide http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk sections 7 (the vi part) and 2 plus the following: *************************************************************************** man intro gives an introduction to Linux man hier Describes the filesystem hierarchy man command |grep key word will display only the lines with you key word Google.com key words: quick reference, cheat sheet, howto, guide, linux http://www.tldp.org/ The Linux Documentation project http://www.linux.org/help and howtos http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/resources/newbie help articles http://slashdot.org technology news http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/ lots of good howtos and the LPI exam prep http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml howtos some of which are on the ibm site http://linux.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://linux%2Dnewbie.sunsite.dk/lnag%5Flicence.htmlLINUX NEWBIE ADMINISTRATOR GUIDE where most of this document came from. open xchat select freenode click connect then type /join #linux or /join #{youfavoritedistro} then press enter and start asking questions and/or giving answers (these are all volunteers so be courteous) added by Jeff Lawton *********************************************************************************** We then talked about new and fun technologies that people have played with. Next we discussed going over the Linux Professional certification requirements and putting together a schedule and plan for presenting sections. Here is what was arrived upon: The curriculum will be based upon "the LPI Certification exam prep" presented by IBM's DeveloperWorks and written by Daniel Robbins of Gentoo fame. 11/13/2003 -11/30/2003 Locate a location in the East Lansing where 20-40 people could meet with computers (possibly as part of the location) available for the following dates and preferably free. Roger Webster volunteered to contact a few of the municipalities such as the library, the pump house, the public schools, and a few other locations. Another member was going to check into using the second floor of a building on Trowbridge where he had attended a meeting before. If any one else has any suggestions or ideas please check into them and report to the list with the subject "LPI Location". Find presenters: if you are willing and available to present one or more of the following sections please post to the list under the subject "LPI Presenter" and list the sections you would be interested in presenting in priority order. We will tally them at the next meeting and post the finalized schedule after the next meeting. Jeff Lawton volunteered to check into media coverage such as the newspaper, wkar, public access channels and a few others. Also if anyone else has contacts or ideas please post to the list with the subject line "LPI Media" I have also just left a message for Brad Fears asking if he would be able to add an RSVP area to the website. I have not heard back yet. I will post on this when he gets back to me. if anyone else anything they have built, used, or would like to build(quickly) that would work nicely here please post under "LPI RSVP" 12/11/2003 The next GLLUG meeting to discuss what we have for turnout so far, and what other details need to be addressed. Agree on presenters for the sections based on the people who volunteered and fill any holes that are left. 1/8/2003 -Linux install and help night Open to the general public: please bring your computer. Linux users and administrators will be available to answer questions, configure, fix, or install one of the Linuxes or BSDs on you system. There will also be copies of distribution Cd's available. We will need volunteers here also, subject "installfest" 1/22/2003 session 1 LPI 101 part 1a About Linux, the Tutorial, and the classes Introduction to bash Using Linux Commands Creating Links and removing files Introduction To wildcards Backing Up your Linux Machine 2/12/2003 session 2 LPI 101 Part 1b Bash by example part 1: Fundamental programing in bash Bash by example part 2: More bash programing fundamentals Bash by example part 3: Exploring the ebuild system VI intro - the cheat sheet method tutorial technical FAQ for Linux Users LPI 102 part 1 Shared Libraries Compiling applications from source Package management concepts RPM the Red Hat Package Manager Debian Package Management Gentoo Package Management freebsd package Management 2/26/2003 session 3 LPI 101 Part 2a Regular expressions FHS and Finding files Process control Text processing Regular Expressions Explained Filesystem hierarchy Standard LPI 102 Part 2a Introducing the Kernel Locating and downloading sources Configuring the kernel Boot configuration PCI devices Linux USB 3/11/2003 session 4 LPI 101 Part 2b Sed by example, Part 1: Get to know the powerful UNIX Editor Sed by example, Part 2: Taking Further advantage of the Unix text editor Sed by example, Part 3: Data Crunching Sed style Awk by example, Part 1: intro to the great language with the strange name Awk by example, Part 2: records, loops, and arrays Awk by example, Part 3: String functions and ... checkbooks? LPI 102 Part 2b Linux 2.4 statefull firewalls 3/25/2003 session 5 LPI 101 part 3 System and network Documentation The Linux Permissions model Linux account management Tuning the user environment Linux glossary for the Linux user LPI 102 part 2c Hardware stability guide, Part 1 Hardware stability guide, Part 2 Software RAID in the new Linux 2.4 kernel, part 1 Software RAID in the new Linux 2.4 kernel, part 2 4/8/2003 session 6 LPI 101 part 4a Linux Filesystems Booting the system Runlevels Filesystem quotas System Logs LPI 102 part 3 TCP/IP networking Internet services Security overview Printing Configuring inet.conf securely 4/22/2003 session 7 LPI 101 part 4b Partition planning tips Partition in action: consolidation data Partition in action: moving home Maximum swapage Advanced filesystem implementor's guide, Part 1: Journaling and RieserFS LPI 102 part 4 Secure Shell NFS Setting up NFS introduction to Samba part 1 introduction to Samba part 2 introduction to Samba part 3 5/6/2003 -review whew! That's it for this one. -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From dincht at securenym.net Tue Nov 18 03:29:07 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Tue Nov 18 02:37:16 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] LPI Presenter, LPI RSVP, and installfest Message-ID: <200311180731.hAI7VLq03443@anon.securenym.net> Howdy, First, I'd be happy to present these: Creating Links and Removing Files Introduction to Wildcards These topics also sound like they're up my alley: Shared Libraries Compiling Applications from Source Package Management Concepts There are more I could do but I'll hold off for awhile so as not to hog too many at once. :) Second, regarding an RSVP system... is this an RSVP system for the "students"? I might have something depending on the requirements. (Or, you could hijack the slashdot meetup site and have people rsvp using that! Just make sure they don't go to the billiards place... :P) On a related note, I was thinking the other day that it would be nice to have a web site or something where organizers can go and check the LPI class schedule and other things dealing with the planning of the classes. The mailing list is great for discussion and dissemination of news and information, but email comes and goes rapidly. It would be nice if there was a collaboratively-edited place where people could view and work on the schedule at any time, along with any other things dealing with planning. Something like this might even boost volunteer participation if people knew they could just dig right into what's going on instead of lurking for a month. A wiki comes to mind. I am a big fan of wikis. I have an account on freezope.org that I can use to set up a wiki within a day or two. The wiki would be very small and there would only be a couple pages to keep track of. I can take care of all the initial content creation and transplanting of information from the mailing list to the wiki (and vice-versa, should the need arise). There would be pages for the most important aspects of the project, but it would also be stressed that things like news and discussions go on the GLLUG mailing list first and foremost. So would there be any interest in this? I think this would really help organize the LPI effort, but I'd like to know what everybody else thinks before heading into it full-steam. Third, and finally, I'd like to volunteer for the installfest. I have a laptop with a fast CD burner, and I can help install FreeBSD and most Linux distros. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From rrclark at rrclark.net Tue Nov 18 09:31:50 2003 From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:31:57 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] When's your next meeting? Message-ID: Hi, ladies and gents, I'm Rich Clark, LUG-wrangler for the Penguicon v2.0 combined SF/Fantasy and Linux convention to be held at the Detroit Sheraton Novi Hotel in Novi, MI, on the weekend of April 16-18, 2004. I'm writing to invite your group to join us as one of the Linux Users Groups to be present at the festival to inform people about your group and to help promote Linux and Open Source Software to SF/Fantasy fans who may not be aware of Linux and it's capabilities. For further information about the conference, please see www.penguicon.org for details. I'd like to also know when your next LUG meeting will be held; I'd like to attend to do a quick presentation on Penguicon and to offer up discount coupons toward admission. Thanks for any feedback you can provide. Rich Clark -- DETROIT SUBGENIUS DEVIVAL Nov 29, 2003 Doors @ 9pm Magic Stick Theatre 4120-4140 Woodward Ave Detroit, MI Rev.Ivan Stang - The Amino Acids - The Jollys - MAN - The Christpunchers - Old Tyme Preachin', Teachin' & Ravin' http://www.subgenius.com/newdevivals.html http://www.geocities.com/theaminoacids/SHOWS.html TINLC Unit #2309 - Death to all spammer accounts. - WWSB? From mark at iametarq.com Tue Nov 18 10:52:37 2003 From: mark at iametarq.com (Mark Tarquini) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:53:17 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] running ftp server with IPcop Message-ID: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am running IPcop with the latest updates. Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with my network from the outside world. I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any computer inside my network but not from the outside. What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( thanks in advance. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com From brad at mtsdev.com Tue Nov 18 11:30:02 2003 From: brad at mtsdev.com (Brad Fears) Date: Tue Nov 18 11:30:08 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] GLLUG Calendar Message-ID: <4512.162.108.2.222.1069173002.squirrel@mirsnews.com> Hi all, Just wanted to let everyone know that the GLLUG.org calendar has been updated with all the future meetings and LPI sessions referenced in Jeff Lawton's most recent meeting notes. Meeting locations have not been decided for the sessions, but I will update each calendar listing as I receive the location information. --Brad Fears From mark at iametarq.com Tue Nov 18 10:52:37 2003 From: mark at iametarq.com (Mark Tarquini) Date: Tue Nov 18 11:41:35 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] [IPCop-user] running ftp server with IPcop Message-ID: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am running IPcop with the latest updates. Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with my network from the outside world. I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any computer inside my network but not from the outside. What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( thanks in advance. =) -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from any Web browser or wireless device. Click here to Try it Free! https://www.gotomypc.com/tr/OSDN/AW/Q4_2003/t/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl _______________________________________________ IPCop-user mailing list IPCop-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipcop-user From todd_torrey at hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 16:10:09 2003 From: todd_torrey at hotmail.com (Todd Torrey) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:10:20 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] sound with Knoppix Message-ID: I was trying out Knoppix 3.3 on a system with a Cyrix media GX processor. The audio chipset is a CX5530, which I believe is SB16 compatible. Anyway, I can't get sound to work on it. The drivers seem to all be in place, as Knoppix has really good hardware detection. Here is lsmod's listing: Module Size Used by Not tainted smbfs 33968 2 (autoclean) autofs4 8756 1 (autoclean) af_packet 13448 0 (autoclean) nls_iso8859-1 2876 0 (autoclean) nls_cp437 4380 0 (autoclean) kahlua 1704 0 sb_lib 33550 0 [kahlua] uart401 6052 0 [sb_lib] sound 55276 0 [sb_lib uart401] soundcore 3428 4 [sb_lib sound] 8139too 17096 1 mii 2256 0 [8139too] crc32 2832 0 [8139too] serial 52004 0 (autoclean) apm 9768 1 rtc 6940 0 (autoclean) cloop 8068 2 and here is the relevant stuff from dmesg: Cyrix Kahlua VSA1 XpressAudio support (c) Copyright 2003 Red Hat Inc kahlua: XpressAudio at 0x220 kahlua: XpressAudio on IRQ 5, DMA 1, 5 If I 'cat some_audio.au > /dev/audio' I don't get any errors, I just don't get any sound. By the way, I'm doing all this from init level 2. I've checked the obvious stuff like the speakers and cables too. I'm not finding much info on the Knoppix web site or via google. Maybe my hardware is just hosed. _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From jeff at idealso.com Tue Nov 18 20:02:04 2003 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Tue Nov 18 20:02:10 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] [IPCop-user] running ftp server with IPcop In-Reply-To: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 10:52, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I am running IPcop with the latest updates. > > Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with > my network from the outside world. > > I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any > computer inside my network but not from the outside. > > What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have > already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any > open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( > > thanks in advance. =) It sound like you are using the orange interface (DMZ) or red (WAN) which does not allow icmp (ping, traceroute). unplug the ethernet connectors swap them. it sound like you have them backwards you should be able to reach the admin interface by going to the address that you setup in the configuration http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 it requires the port specification. good luck, -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 From yeti at chartermi.net Tue Nov 18 20:26:37 2003 From: yeti at chartermi.net (Anderson, Jeremy (8576250370007112)) Date: Tue Nov 18 20:26:41 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] removable hard drive trays Message-ID: I picked up some new, but older removable hard drive trays on the cheap today. What I was wondering was that the box says they are rated for ATA-66. If I put a ata-100 or ata-133 drive in the tray and connect it to a cable and motherboard that supports the higher speed, will the tray really drop it down to ATA-66. Will they even work with the higher speed drives? Will i notice a preformance penalty. Thanks, Jeremy From mark at iametarq.com Tue Nov 18 20:50:09 2003 From: mark at iametarq.com (Mark Tarquini) Date: Tue Nov 18 20:50:57 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] [IPCop-user] running ftp server with IPcop In-Reply-To: <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1069206609.8871.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ahh, i fixed it. I redid the port forwarding and instead of using a custom port, that forwarded to port 21, i just used port 21 all around... I am able to get to the IPcop admin page through http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 too. altho sometimes it likes to be difficult and not let me... thanks =) -Mark On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 20:02, Jeff Lawton wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 10:52, Mark Tarquini wrote: > > I am running IPcop with the latest updates. > > > > Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with > > my network from the outside world. > > > > I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any > > computer inside my network but not from the outside. > > > > What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have > > already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any > > open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( > > > > thanks in advance. =) > > It sound like you are using the orange interface (DMZ) or red (WAN) > which does not allow icmp (ping, traceroute). unplug the ethernet > connectors swap them. it sound like you have them backwards you should > be able to reach the admin interface by going to the address that you > setup in the configuration http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 it requires the > port specification. > > good luck, -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 From vincen21 at msu.edu Tue Nov 18 21:35:03 2003 From: vincen21 at msu.edu (Jolyon Michael Vincent) Date: Tue Nov 18 21:35:07 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Re: Old Computer In-Reply-To: <3FB6BF95.5000709@confettifalling.com> References: <58F907D8-170F-11D8-8C63-000393C159E4@softhome.net> <3FB669DC.8080701@wattersm.net> <3FB6BF95.5000709@confettifalling.com> Message-ID: Jennifer writes: > Contact these people, I'm sure they could use the parts, at least: > > http://www.ctdg.org/indexmain.shtml > > Michael Watters wrote: >> Speaking of old computers, anybody know a good place to get rid of old >> PCs? I have a Pentium II 300 system that I'd like to get rid of, it's >> just collecting dust right now. > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user P II? 300Mhz? thats faster than the 486Dx2-66mhz I was thinking of running as a proxy server! I kind of collect old hardware. I think that every megabyte of disk space is useable once put online. I'd be interested in hearing more about this particular system, and also (if you are on the list and reading this) I have two DEC-style VAX mainframes that I think I would like to get rid of. I have several 386 and 286 boards that I could stand to part with as well. As far as the DEC's are concerned, I think I have a floppy drive for one of them. I have never learned how to get them to work, and they are too heavy for me to move out of the attic on my own. Don't get your free email at hotmail.com http://www.???.org is much better. From jeff at idealso.com Tue Nov 18 20:02:04 2003 From: jeff at idealso.com (Jeff Lawton) Date: Wed Nov 19 01:07:22 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] [IPCop-user] running ftp server with IPcop In-Reply-To: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 10:52, Mark Tarquini wrote: > I am running IPcop with the latest updates. > > Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with > my network from the outside world. > > I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any > computer inside my network but not from the outside. > > What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have > already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any > open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( > > thanks in advance. =) It sound like you are using the orange interface (DMZ) or red (WAN) which does not allow icmp (ping, traceroute). unplug the ethernet connectors swap them. it sound like you have them backwards you should be able to reach the admin interface by going to the address that you setup in the configuration http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 it requires the port specification. good luck, -- Jeff Lawton Ideal Solution, LLC www.idealso.com 517.669.4235 ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ _______________________________________________ IPCop-user mailing list IPCop-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipcop-user From mark at iametarq.com Tue Nov 18 20:50:09 2003 From: mark at iametarq.com (Mark Tarquini) Date: Wed Nov 19 01:11:00 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] [IPCop-user] running ftp server with IPcop In-Reply-To: <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1069170756.3932.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1069203724.7390.509.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1069206609.8871.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ahh, i fixed it. I redid the port forwarding and instead of using a custom port, that forwarded to port 21, i just used port 21 all around... I am able to get to the IPcop admin page through http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 too. altho sometimes it likes to be difficult and not let me... thanks =) -Mark On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 20:02, Jeff Lawton wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 10:52, Mark Tarquini wrote: > > I am running IPcop with the latest updates. > > > > Somehow I have enabled in IPcop to not allow pinging or any contact with > > my network from the outside world. > > > > I have an ftp server setup. I can get to it from 127.0.0.1 and from any > > computer inside my network but not from the outside. > > > > What do i need to enable in IPcop to allow incoming connections? I have > > already enabled Port Forwarding, but my ISP said that he cannot see any > > open ports, nor can he even ping our IP address. =( > > > > thanks in advance. =) > > It sound like you are using the orange interface (DMZ) or red (WAN) > which does not allow icmp (ping, traceroute). unplug the ethernet > connectors swap them. it sound like you have them backwards you should > be able to reach the admin interface by going to the address that you > setup in the configuration http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 it requires the > port specification. > > good luck, -- Mark Tarq ------------------------------------------------------ mark@iametarq.com http://www.iametarq.com / http://www.etarq.com 517.214.4941 ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ _______________________________________________ IPCop-user mailing list IPCop-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ipcop-user From rrclark at rrclark.net Wed Nov 19 08:25:29 2003 From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark) Date: Wed Nov 19 08:25:33 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] sound with Knoppix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Todd Torrey wrote: > I was trying out Knoppix 3.3 on a system with a Cyrix media GX processor. > The audio chipset is a CX5530, which I believe is SB16 compatible. Anyway, I > can't get sound to work on it. The drivers seem to all be in place, as > Knoppix has really good hardware detection. Here is lsmod's listing: > > Module Size Used by Not tainted > smbfs 33968 2 (autoclean) > autofs4 8756 1 (autoclean) > af_packet 13448 0 (autoclean) > nls_iso8859-1 2876 0 (autoclean) > nls_cp437 4380 0 (autoclean) > kahlua 1704 0 > sb_lib 33550 0 [kahlua] > uart401 6052 0 [sb_lib] > sound 55276 0 [sb_lib uart401] > soundcore 3428 4 [sb_lib sound] > 8139too 17096 1 > mii 2256 0 [8139too] > crc32 2832 0 [8139too] > serial 52004 0 (autoclean) > apm 9768 1 > rtc 6940 0 (autoclean) > cloop 8068 2 > > and here is the relevant stuff from dmesg: > > Cyrix Kahlua VSA1 XpressAudio support (c) Copyright 2003 Red Hat Inc > kahlua: XpressAudio at 0x220 > kahlua: XpressAudio on IRQ 5, DMA 1, 5 > > If I 'cat some_audio.au > /dev/audio' I don't get any errors, I just don't > get any sound. Try catting the file to /dev/dsp and see what happens. > By the way, I'm doing all this from init level 2. I've checked the obvious > stuff like the speakers and cables too. I'm not finding much info on the > Knoppix web site or via google. Maybe my hardware is just hosed. I doubt it's the hardware. You may also want to modify your configuration so the system loads up the Alsa drivers for that chipset. Rich -- DETROIT SUBGENIUS DEVIVAL Nov 29, 2003 Doors @ 9pm Magic Stick Theatre 4120-4140 Woodward Ave Detroit, MI Rev.Ivan Stang - The Amino Acids - The Jollys - MAN - The Christpunchers - Old Tyme Preachin', Teachin' & Ravin' http://www.subgenius.com/newdevivals.html http://www.geocities.com/theaminoacids/SHOWS.html TINLC Unit #2309 - Death to all spammer accounts. - WWSB? From cox-m at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 20 08:11:26 2003 From: cox-m at sbcglobal.net (Michael Cox) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:11:30 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl Message-ID: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> I am running through the IBM tutorials and come to ls -dl /usr/local This is supposed to display all the directories shared by the inode. The author lists about eight directories. While I realize that some variance is to be expected, my SuSE 8.2 installation only the single directory. I input the same ls -dl /usr/local as both a user and root with the same result. My result: drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 272 2003-11-12 17:14 /usr/local Is this a normal result and I am confused by the difference. Or... good grief, I don't even know another possibility. Oh wait, I am using the Rieser File System, maybe I should be using some other distro to follow this tutorial. Thoughts? From danceswithcrows at usa.net Thu Nov 20 11:44:29 2003 From: danceswithcrows at usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:50:21 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl In-Reply-To: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200311201144.29445.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Thursday 20 November 2003 11:11, after a long battle with technology, Michael Cox wrote: > ls -dl /usr/local > This is supposed to display all the directories shared > by the inode. On my systems (Gentoo), ls -d without arguments displays the current directory . and that's it. It's supposed to do that according to the man page for ls. What does the tutorial mean when it says "all the directories shared by the inode"? Each directory that exists has its own inode (you can't make hardlinks to directories--well, you *can*, but it's a bad idea) and a symlink has its own inode as well. > The author lists about eight directories. While I realize that some > variance is to be expected, my SuSE 8.2 installation only the single > directory. Is this a normal result and I am confused by the > difference. It's possible that the IBM tutorials in this case depend on older behavior of ls. "ls --version" reports "coreutils 5.0" for me. > Oh wait, I am using the Rieser File System, maybe I should be using > some other distro to follow this tutorial. ReiserFS, ext3, and FAT32 give me the same results, so it's not anything to do with the filesystem. -- Stupidity got us into this mess--why can't it get us out? There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From computech at ispwest.com Mon Nov 17 13:22:28 2003 From: computech at ispwest.com (Wald) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:05:49 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes In-Reply-To: <200311201701.hAKH125D027640@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031117131701.00ab9290@pop.ispwest.com> >Send linux-user mailing list submissions to > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linux-user-request@egr.msu.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linux-user-owner@egr.msu.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of linux-user digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. inodes and ls -dl (Michael Cox) > 2. Re: inodes and ls -dl (Matt Graham) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) >From: Michael Cox >Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl >To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Message-ID: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I am running through the IBM tutorials and come to > >ls -dl /usr/local > >This is supposed to display all the directories shared >by the inode. The author lists about eight >directories. While I realize that some variance is to >be expected, my SuSE 8.2 installation only the single >directory. I input the same ls -dl /usr/local as both >a user and root with the same result. > >My result: > >drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 272 2003-11-12 17:14 >/usr/local > >Is this a normal result and I am confused by the >difference. Or... good grief, I don't even know >another possibility. Oh wait, I am using the Rieser >File System, maybe I should be using some other distro >to follow this tutorial. > >Thoughts? > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:44:29 -0500 >From: Matt Graham >Subject: Re: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl >To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu >Message-ID: <200311201144.29445.danceswithcrows@usa.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >On Thursday 20 November 2003 11:11, after a long battle with technology, >Michael Cox wrote: >> ls -dl /usr/local >> This is supposed to display all the directories shared >> by the inode. > >On my systems (Gentoo), ls -d without arguments displays the current >directory . and that's it. It's supposed to do that according to the >man page for ls. What does the tutorial mean when it says "all the >directories shared by the inode"? Each directory that exists has its >own inode (you can't make hardlinks to directories--well, you *can*, >but it's a bad idea) and a symlink has its own inode as well. > >> The author lists about eight directories. While I realize that some >> variance is to be expected, my SuSE 8.2 installation only the single >> directory. Is this a normal result and I am confused by the >> difference. > >It's possible that the IBM tutorials in this case depend on older >behavior of ls. "ls --version" reports "coreutils 5.0" for me. > >> Oh wait, I am using the Rieser File System, maybe I should be using >> some other distro to follow this tutorial. > >ReiserFS, ext3, and FAT32 give me the same results, so it's not anything >to do with the filesystem. > >-- > Stupidity got us into this mess--why can't it get us out? >There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >linux-user mailing list >linux-user@egr.msu.edu >http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > > >End of linux-user Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 >***************************************** I believe you have what is expected. In strict terms, a file name is only a reference to an inode; you can multiple references (file names) for the same inode, so called hard link once they are on the same filesystem. Essentially the -d flag tell the ls to look for the directories itself, not their contents (files, sub-directories, etc). Regards, PWald --- On Reiserfs we trust There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 ICQ UIN: 14372714 Mobile: url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald ======= GNU/Linux =================== , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 :o_o: "-" #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# From computech at ispwest.com Mon Nov 17 13:28:22 2003 From: computech at ispwest.com (Wald) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:11:33 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot In-Reply-To: <200311201701.hAKH125D027640@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031117132635.00cb0410@pop.ispwest.com> Hi, Anyone would know a wi-fi hotspot in the East Lansing area for carless person, preferably in downtown E.L. --- On Reiserfs we trust There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 ICQ UIN: 14372714 Mobile: url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald ======= GNU/Linux =================== , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 :o_o: "-" #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# From blp at cs.stanford.edu Thu Nov 20 18:25:38 2003 From: blp at cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:25:40 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl In-Reply-To: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <878ymbrlhh.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Michael Cox writes: > I am running through the IBM tutorials and come to > > ls -dl /usr/local > > This is supposed to display all the directories shared > by the inode. That's not what -d or -l does with GNU ls. Read the manpage. -d, --directory list directory entries instead of contents, and do not derefer- ence symbolic links -l use a long listing format -- On Perl: "It's as if H.P. Lovecraft, returned from the dead and speaking by seance to Larry Wall, designed a language both elegant and terrifying for his Elder Things to write programs in, and forgot that the Shoggoths didn't turn out quite so well in the long run." --Matt Olson From bentonje at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 13:39:04 2003 From: bentonje at msu.edu (Jeffrey Benton) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:39:12 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031117132635.00cb0410@pop.ispwest.com> Message-ID: <000901c3af95$93185860$290a0a0a@agatesoftware.local> As I recall, the Beaner's on Grand River has a hot spot provided by Arialink. They are just a little bit west of downtown E.L. Starbucks may also have one but I am less certain of that one. - Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wald" To: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot > Hi, > > Anyone would know a wi-fi hotspot in the East Lansing area for carless > person, preferably in downtown E.L. > > > --- > On Reiserfs we trust > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 > ICQ UIN: 14372714 > Mobile: > url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald > > ======= GNU/Linux =================== > , , > / \ > ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) > `-_---' `---_-' > `--|o` 'o|--' > \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! > ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 > :o_o: > "-" > #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user > From dincht at securenym.net Thu Nov 20 15:47:55 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Thu Nov 20 14:53:41 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl In-Reply-To: <878ymbrlhh.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> <878ymbrlhh.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200311201948.hAKJmvD14500@anon.securenym.net> On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 12:35, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Michael Cox writes: > > > I am running through the IBM tutorials and come to > > > > ls -dl /usr/local > > > > This is supposed to display all the directories shared > > by the inode. > > That's not what -d or -l does with GNU ls. Read the manpage. > > -d, --directory > list directory entries instead of contents, and do not derefer- > ence symbolic links > > -l use a long listing format Simply put, ls -d prevents directories from being searched recursively. This is most useful when you want to list only directory and file names that match a particular glob pattern. Let's say you want to list, for example, all of the files and directories in /etc start with s, so you do: ls s* which might give you the following listing: services shells shells.bak spwd.db sysctl.conf syslog.conf skel: ssh: moduli ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_config ssh_host_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_key.pub sshd_config ssl: openssl.cnf Now this isn't too bad, but if you try a similar command where a whole bunch of directories match, then you have to waste time sorting through potentially hundreds or thousands of lines of extraneous information. ls -d will prevent that: ls -d s* returns: services shells.bak spwd.db ssl/ syslog.conf shells skel/ ssh/ sysctl.conf That's much more manageable. Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From PMelson at sequoianet.com Thu Nov 20 16:49:50 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Thu Nov 20 16:50:05 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1D2@lansingemail.seqnt.com> The Beaner's Coffee on Grand River, just west of downtown has a free hotspot. -----Original Message----- From: Wald [mailto:computech@ispwest.com] Sent: Mon 11/17/2003 1:28 PM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Cc: Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot Hi, Anyone would know a wi-fi hotspot in the East Lansing area for carless person, preferably in downtown E.L. --- On Reiserfs we trust There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GNU/Linux Registered User # 223296 ICQ UIN: 14372714 Mobile: url: http://members.ispwest.com/wald ======= GNU/Linux =================== , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---' `---_-' `--|o` 'o|--' \ ` / GNU is Not Unix! ): :( Debian Potato 2.2 :o_o: "-" #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031120/b75d672f/attachment.htm From ashton at msu.edu Thu Nov 20 17:10:41 2003 From: ashton at msu.edu (Ashton Shortridge) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:11:13 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot In-Reply-To: <000901c3af95$93185860$290a0a0a@agatesoftware.local> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031117132635.00cb0410@pop.ispwest.com> <000901c3af95$93185860$290a0a0a@agatesoftware.local> Message-ID: <200311201710.41020.ashton@msu.edu> I seem to recall that several businesses and the City have wireless for the little plazas in the center of downtown, at the corner of Albert and MAC. I think the service started in August. Might be a little chilly now. Vietopia on Grand River between Division and Collingwood has free internet, but I don't know about wireless. It's a funky little cafe to visit, too. Ashton On Thursday 20 November 2003 13:39, Jeffrey Benton wrote: > As I recall, the Beaner's on Grand River has a hot spot provided by > Arialink. They are just a little bit west of downtown E.L. Starbucks may > also have one but I am less certain of that one. > > - Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wald" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:28 PM > Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone would know a wi-fi hotspot in the East Lansing area for carless > > person, preferably in downtown E.L. > > -- SNIP -- From jglass at liquidweb.com Thu Nov 20 19:49:34 2003 From: jglass at liquidweb.com (Joseph E. Glass) Date: Thu Nov 20 19:49:39 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot In-Reply-To: <200311201710.41020.ashton@msu.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031117132635.00cb0410@pop.ispwest.com> <000901c3af95$93185860$290a0a0a@agatesoftware.local> <200311201710.41020.ashton@msu.edu> Message-ID: <1069375773.4887.1.camel@puppen.neir.org> The Espresso Royalle cafe in East Lansing has 54g. Vietopia Cafe has ethernet but no wireless. I think there are a couple of buildings on campus that also have wireless, the business college library does. Joe On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 17:10, Ashton Shortridge wrote: > I seem to recall that several businesses and the City have wireless for the > little plazas in the center of downtown, at the corner of Albert and MAC. I > think the service started in August. Might be a little chilly now. > > Vietopia on Grand River between Division and Collingwood has free internet, > but I don't know about wireless. It's a funky little cafe to visit, too. > > Ashton > > On Thursday 20 November 2003 13:39, Jeffrey Benton wrote: > > As I recall, the Beaner's on Grand River has a hot spot provided by > > Arialink. They are just a little bit west of downtown E.L. Starbucks may > > also have one but I am less certain of that one. > > > > - Jeff > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wald" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:28 PM > > Subject: [GLLUG] hotspot > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Anyone would know a wi-fi hotspot in the East Lansing area for carless > > > person, preferably in downtown E.L. > > > > > -- SNIP -- > > _______________________________________________ > linux-user mailing list > linux-user@egr.msu.edu > http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user -- Joseph Glass Systems Administrator Liquid Web Inc. 800.580.4985 x227 From joshdetwiler at comcast.net Fri Nov 21 04:53:20 2003 From: joshdetwiler at comcast.net (Josh Detwiler) Date: Fri Nov 21 09:56:16 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Good CAS? Message-ID: <1069390411.13205.3.camel@tildabang.com> Does anybody recommend a good computer algebra system for linux? If you're familiar with Derive 6, then you have a good idea of what i'm looking for. Unfortunately, I'm on a budget and would prefer free over $99. (http://epsstore.ti.com/webs/catlist.asp?deptid=165&catid=580) Thanks, -- Josh Detwiler From rockwell at pa.msu.edu Fri Nov 21 10:23:42 2003 From: rockwell at pa.msu.edu (Tom Rockwell) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:23:48 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] re: Good CAS? In-Reply-To: <200311211505.hALF5J5B009270@egr.msu.edu> References: <200311211505.hALF5J5B009270@egr.msu.edu> Message-ID: <3FBE2DFE.1070707@pa.msu.edu> You might try, http://maxima.sourceforge.net/, but probably if you know Derive, it is easier to stick with that instead of learning a new program... A friend from MSU was developing Maxima for a while, but I haven't used it myself. >Does anybody recommend a good computer algebra system for linux? If >you're familiar with Derive 6, then you have a good idea of what i'm >looking for. Unfortunately, I'm on a budget and would prefer free over >$99. (http://epsstore.ti.com/webs/catlist.asp?deptid=165&catid=580) > >Thanks, >-- Josh Detwiler From cox-m at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 13:33:13 2003 From: cox-m at sbcglobal.net (Michael Cox) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:33:21 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] inodes and ls -dl In-Reply-To: <20031120161126.21808.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031121213313.8771.qmail@web80407.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies, very informative stuff. However, my question was about why the output looks different from the authors. I guess I assumed what was displayed in the tutorial was output from the ls -sl /usr/local directory, when it wasn't. The author was simply stating what he new to be true to make a point about inodes, not the ls command. From bigjay at bigjay.net Sat Nov 22 13:47:26 2003 From: bigjay at bigjay.net (Jayson L) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:50:44 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] Dell Latitude battery Message-ID: <02d001c3b129$13086a80$0f1018ac@comcast.net> Question to all: I am looking for a replacement battery for a Dell Latutude CPi laptop. Can anyone tell me of a place in Lansing where I can get one for super cheap? I don't want to spend alot of money on it. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031122/f70400ac/attachment.htm From sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 22 22:36:29 2003 From: sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net (Seth Bembeneck) Date: Sat Nov 22 22:36:44 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) Message-ID: <000001c3b172$fc55b7d0$0a01a8c0@seth> I'm trying to set up ssh on my gentoo system. Ssh is running, but when I try to connect to it using putty on my xp machine, as soon as I input my username in putty, putty closes down. I have been reading about DSA and RSA keys. I have generated a DSA key using puttygen.exe but how do I get gentoo/ssh to recognize it? Am I missing something? Also, I have been reading about booting diskless computers (or computers with small hard drive space) off of linux. I have an old computer here and would like to try it out. Can any one point me in the right direction on how to set up the server and The computer for booting off of the server? I'm using Gentoo as my OS. Thanks, Seth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.egr.msu.edu/archives/public/linux-user/attachments/20031122/e6e1b855/attachment.htm From danceswithcrows at usa.net Sun Nov 23 10:10:48 2003 From: danceswithcrows at usa.net (Matt Graham) Date: Sun Nov 23 10:17:15 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) In-Reply-To: <000001c3b172$fc55b7d0$0a01a8c0@seth> References: <000001c3b172$fc55b7d0$0a01a8c0@seth> Message-ID: <200311231010.48227.danceswithcrows@usa.net> On Saturday 22 November 2003 22:36, after a long battle with technology, Seth Bembeneck wrote: > I'm trying to set up ssh on my gentoo system. Ssh is running, You Mean "sshd". ssh is the client, sshd the server. You must have the server running on a machine before any attempts to use ssh to connect will work. > but when I try to connect to it using putty on my xp machine, as soon > as I input my username in putty, putty closes down. Weird. Look in /var/log/sshd/ to find out the errors sshd is generating. > I have been reading about DSA and RSA keys. I have generated a DSA > key using puttygen.exe but how do I get gentoo/ssh to recognize it? After using ssh-keygen, you'll end up with 2 files, id_dsa.pub and id_dsa . Take the .pub file and append it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the machine(s) you want to log in to. > Also, I have been reading about booting diskless computers (or > computers with small hard drive space) off of linux. > I have an old computer here and would like to try it out. Can any one > point me in the right direction on how to set up the server and > The computer for booting off of the server? I'm using Gentoo as my > OS. For a true diskless setup, you need a NIC that does Wake-On-LAN and PXE. You might not have those on your older machine; look at your NIC's manual for details. You can always boot a kernel that has NFS support and /-on-NFS support from a floppy or a CD though. You'll need to make sure that your other machine is running nfsd and that your NIC is reasonably fast. Lots of detailed info is available at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Diskless-root-NFS-other-HOWTO.html , there's another one about diskless /-NFS but it was written by someone with minimal command of English. HTH, -- "Dreams? Best leave dreams to those that can afford them." --Aunt Cordelia, _Wizard and Glass_, Stephen King There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see From dincht at securenym.net Sun Nov 23 11:35:30 2003 From: dincht at securenym.net (C. Ulrich) Date: Sun Nov 23 10:42:49 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) In-Reply-To: <000001c3b172$fc55b7d0$0a01a8c0@seth> References: <000001c3b172$fc55b7d0$0a01a8c0@seth> Message-ID: <200311231538.hANFceZ05883@anon.securenym.net> On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 22:36, Seth Bembeneck wrote: > I?m trying to set up ssh on my gentoo system. Ssh is running, but when > I try to connect to it using putty on my xp machine, as soon as I > input my username in putty, putty closes down. Sounds like putty might be crashing. This is a long shot, but try running it from a console (a.k.a. DOS box) and see if there are any helpful messages. You could also try some other SSH clients just to see what they do. I'm aware of two: - TeraTerm plus TTSSH http://www.zip.com.au/~roca/ttssh.html - The non-commercial version of SSH Secure Shell (free for evaluation, non-commercial, and university use): http://www.ssh.com/support/downloads/secureshellwks/non-commercial.html > Also, I have been reading about booting diskless computers (or > computers with small hard drive space) off of linux. > > I have an old computer here and would like to try it out. Can any one > point me in the right direction on how to set up the server and > > The computer for booting off of the server? I?m using Gentoo as my OS. If you want to use Gentoo, you might have to set everything up manually. Look around. Most people here will point you to the Linux Terminal Server Project (http://www.ltsp.org) and/or the K12Linux project (http://www.k12ltsp.org). Hope that helps! Charles Ulrich -- http://bityard.net From sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 23 23:21:36 2003 From: sbdataspiller at sbcglobal.net (Seth Bembeneck) Date: Sun Nov 23 23:21:58 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) In-Reply-To: <200311231010.48227.danceswithcrows@usa.net> Message-ID: <000001c3b242$77ba9c90$0a01a8c0@seth> Thanks for yours and C. Ulrich's quick reply.... Is there a quick way to determine if the network card supports the Wake-On-LAN and PXE booting? I don't have the manuals. I have a couple different network cards; one of them is a realtech. Thanks Seth -----Original Message----- From: linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu [mailto:linux-user-bounces@egr.msu.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Graham Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:11 AM To: linux-user@egr.msu.edu Subject: Re: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) On Saturday 22 November 2003 22:36, after a long battle with technology, Seth Bembeneck wrote: > I'm trying to set up ssh on my gentoo system. Ssh is running, You Mean "sshd". ssh is the client, sshd the server. You must have the server running on a machine before any attempts to use ssh to connect will work. > but when I try to connect to it using putty on my xp machine, as soon > as I input my username in putty, putty closes down. Weird. Look in /var/log/sshd/ to find out the errors sshd is generating. > I have been reading about DSA and RSA keys. I have generated a DSA > key using puttygen.exe but how do I get gentoo/ssh to recognize it? After using ssh-keygen, you'll end up with 2 files, id_dsa.pub and id_dsa . Take the .pub file and append it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the machine(s) you want to log in to. > Also, I have been reading about booting diskless computers (or > computers with small hard drive space) off of linux. > I have an old computer here and would like to try it out. Can any one > point me in the right direction on how to set up the server and > The computer for booting off of the server? I'm using Gentoo as my > OS. For a true diskless setup, you need a NIC that does Wake-On-LAN and PXE. You might not have those on your older machine; look at your NIC's manual for details. You can always boot a kernel that has NFS support and /-on-NFS support from a floppy or a CD though. You'll need to make sure that your other machine is running nfsd and that your NIC is reasonably fast. Lots of detailed info is available at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Diskless-root-NFS-other-HOWTO.html , there's another one about diskless /-NFS but it was written by someone with minimal command of English. HTH, -- "Dreams? Best leave dreams to those that can afford them." --Aunt Cordelia, _Wizard and Glass_, Stephen King There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see _______________________________________________ linux-user mailing list linux-user@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-user From PMelson at sequoianet.com Mon Nov 24 07:28:03 2003 From: PMelson at sequoianet.com (Melson, Paul) Date: Mon Nov 24 08:34:04 2003 Subject: [GLLUG] ssh and putty(winXP) Message-ID: <0FD9D979B9535D4890AE309799B6D1E54FE1DC@lansingemail.seqnt.com> Yes, try sending WOL 'magic' packets to its MAC address. (Though, that will only tell you if WOL is supported *and* enabled.) The RTL chipsets are anyone's guess if you don't know the actual manufacturer and model, so your best bet if you can't find documentation is just to try it. If you don't have a toolkit like SolarWinds or PMG, you can use `wol`, which is an open source 'magic' packet generator. (http://ahh.sourceforge.net/wol/) PaulM -----Original Message----- Is there a quick way to determine if the network card supports the Wake-On-LAN and PXE booting? I don't have the manuals. I have a couple different network cards; one of them is a realtech.